------------------------------------------ -- EZ A SZÁM CSAK TEXT FORMÁBAN LÉTEZIK -- ------------------------------------------ Return-Path: Received: from Princeton.EDU by tartarus.uchicago.edu (4.0/UofC4.0x) id AA03552; Mon, 26 Nov 90 23:06:14 CST Received: from phoenix.Princeton.EDU by Princeton.EDU (5.61++/2.60/princeton) id AA16882; Tue, 27 Nov 90 00:01:39 -0500 Received: by phoenix.princeton.edu (4.1/1.105) id AA18942; Mon, 26 Nov 90 22:49:46 EST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 90 22:49:46 EST From: TIPP/FORUM Message-Id: <9011270349.AA18942@phoenix.princeton.edu> To: contacts@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Subject: F O R U M #86 From RAVENserver =============================================== Felado : zdv052@djukfa11.bitnet Beerkezett: Mon Nov 26 04:09:37 EST 1990 Temakor : Hetfo reggeli Egi Barany - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A mathematician, a physicist and an engineer are travelling through Wales by train when they pass a black sheep in a field. The engineer comments,"All Welsh sheep are black". The physicist looks surprised and replies,"surely you mean that there exists at least one black sheep in Wales?". "No", says the mathematician, "what he really means is that there exists at least one sheep in Wales at least half of which is black." =============================================== Felado : ella!h1105dea@relay.eu.net Beerkezett: Mon Nov 26 07:18:40 EST 1990 Temakor : ??? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kedves Mindenki, A He1t cimu musor beszamolot kozolt Tom Lantossal, a kolozsvari magyar szinhazbol. (Az emelvenyrol harom embert mutattak, Szocs Geza, Tom Lantos, a HHR egyik vezetoje). Szocs Geza utan Lantos beszelt, a zsufolasig megtelt szinhazban. Az HHR neveben kiosztott negy dijat, majd beszedet mondott.Kijelentette, hogy lesz Kolozsvaron magyar egyetem, amire o anyagilag is ad segitseget, egy alapitvanyt kezsdemenyezett. Mondta, hogy ez nonszensz, hogy egy ket es fel millios csoportnak nincs egyeteme. Ket konzulatus nyitasat szorgalmazza Kolozsvarott egy magyar es egy amerikai konzulatuset. Nem lehet az, hogy uj falak epuljenek fel egy egysegesulo Europaban a regi vasfuggony helyett. (A kozonseg szinte minden mondatat megtapsolta, a tapsok nagyobb reszet kivagtak a magyar musorbol, ido hianyaban. A kozonseg jo resze sirt a beszed kozben.) Utana interjut adott a Het-nek. Elmondta, hogy Budap[estrol indult volna Kol9ozsvarra autoval, de indulasa elott utolerte Iliescu telefonja, hogy eloszor repuljon hozza Bukarestbe es utana menjen csak Kolozsvarra. Elment eloszor Bukarestbe es ott elmondta Iliescunak, hogy o az emberjogi bizottsag elnoke a kongresszusban, amely figyelemmel kiseri az egesz vilagon az emberi jogok helyzetet. Vazolta, hogy nagy befolyassal bir, es kijelentette, hogy Romania szamara nagyon sok jot es nagyon sok rosszat is tehet. (arrol nem szolt, hogy Iliescu mit akart). Javaslatom, hogy aki jonak gondolja az otletet, irjon Lantosnak, hogy koszonjuk ezt a kolozsvari fellepeset (mar aki egyetert ezzel). Neki is szuksege van tamogatasra, visszajelzesre. Udvozlettel: Deak Istvan Kelt 1990. november 26. =============================================== Felado : balint@cara.maths.heriot-watt.ac.uk Beerkezett: Mon Nov 26 19:51:30 EST 1990 Temakor : Good Old Maggie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most, hogy az egyik legellentmondasosabb brit (es europai) politikus lekoszon, termeszetesen rengeteg ilyen-olyan, okos es kevesbe okos, istenito es gyulolkodo stb elemzes jelenik meg naponta. Tobbseguk mindenesetre rendkivul szorakoztato. A tegnapi (nov. 25.) Independent on Sunday-bol masolok ki harom markans (ha nem is feltetlenul tipikus) velemenyt. Az elso az entellektuel liberalis fundamentalizmus egyik legagyafurtabb reprezentansatol, a masodik egy nem jelentektelen bankartol a harmadik pedig egy volt kuplerajos madamtol szarmazik, aki szinten nevezetes szemelyiseg: &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& (1) Salman Rushdie (Author): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No nation is ever united. Divisions of wealth, class, region (nem religion!) and culture are not aberrations in political life; they are the norm. Unity is at best an ideal, at worst a disingenuous political slogan. Democracy is turbulence, argument, disagreement--- and a good thing too. Margaret Thatcher, an extremist by nature, based her power on her recognition of these truths, ruling by disunity, by deepening the rifts in British society. Thatcherism set the rich South against the impoverished North, the philistine against the intellectual, the employed against the unemployed. Human nature itself is divided, and Thatcherism worked by appealing to our internal disunity, too, setting our self-centredness against our consciences. That Mrs Thatcher should fail because she finally divided her own party may be seen as poetic justice. It is also the demonstration of a paradox: that an excess of disunity can, at least momentarily, have a unifying effect. Even M.T. has now been obliged to accept that the one thing on which most of Britain now agrees is that her time is up. Her long survival was in part due to the disarrey of her opponents. Now, happily for voters of my persuation, there is once again a coherent and competent Labour party waiting in the wings. When it comes to power, it will face an even harder task than the reconstruction of the economy and of our crumbling social programes. It will have to instill a new idea of the nation in a generation that has known nothing but Thatcher Harshnesses. Disunity, re-imagined as diversity, multiplicity, pluralism, can be creative as well as destructive. The creation of a just society is not incompatible with economic well being. After the monarchical one woman rule of Margaret Thatcher, let a thousand flowers bloom. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& (2) Sir Michael Richardson (Banker) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ She changed the face of politics, the economy and the City in this country. I think she did more in the firat ten years than any one individual has done for the City, probably, in this century. I believe that what she has done is irreversible --- a new pattern has been created. She has driven us all out of being little Englanders into being international bankers, and it has put us, as far as the City is concerned, into world ranking. On the Continent .... everybody told meshe was the person who had mde London the centre where they all felt that they could trade and deal. The City is market driven, and basically she was market driven. She probably had more admirers and friends in the City than in any other walk of life, and I would certainly be one of them. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 3) Cynthia Payne (Former brothel-keeper) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When she first came to power, I almost laughed. I thought it was crazy. I like men to do the job --- it was more fitting in my mind to have a man as prime minister. Over the years I got used to it. I don't think threre'll be another woman prime minister as good as her. I'm very sorry, really. I think it is what she did for women, more than anything. She put women on the map, she escalated their status. The majority of men are always crumpet-hunting, and prime-ministers are no different --- they get distracted by a pretty girl. If they travel abroad, there's always someone, who'll accomodate them with a young girl. But with Maggie, her mind wasn't distracted, because at her age she wasn't all that worried about sex. I think that because of that she has been a good prime minister. She's been able to get down and do the bloody work, to get on with it. She wasn't distracted by the sex urge as much as a male prime minister. If it's a man, he knows he's got power, and that he can get a woman to go to bed with him. 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