Jerry Ostrowski ) wrote:
: 	Per Reuters, CEFTA (Central European Free Trade Agreement) may
: soon be modified to allow admission of a new member - Slovenia.  
: CEFTA was established by Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia
: in 1992 to promote free trade among the member countries by eliminating
: or reducing tariff duties.  Apart from Slovenia - Romania, Lithuania,
: Latvia and Estonia have expressed their interest in joining the
: organization.
: 	 Poland's trade with the other CEFTA countries grew to
: US$1.7 billion last year from US$1.3 in 1992. In the first five months
: of 1995 it totalled already more than US$1 billion.

I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against the 
Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
authorities decision??

Leszek

In article >  (Gertj
an Akkerman) writes:
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>Subject: Re: More Countries May Soon Join CEFTA
>Date: 14 Aug 1995 10:04:20 GMT
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>In article >,
>Radovan Cerny > wrote:
>>In article >  (Ross
>Hedvicek) writes:
>[...]
>>
>>>In article >  (Leszek Andrz
ej
>>>Kleczkowski) writes:
>[...]
>>>>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>>>>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
>>>>Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against th
e 
>>>>Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
>>>>authorities decision??
>[...]

>>
>>>The same trick was used for years during communist rule. Remember? 
>>>They'rrreeee baaaaaaaaacck!
>[...]
>>
>>The same trick is used by several West-European countries (I mean daily 
>>allowance). 
>>They'rrreeeee baaaaaaaaaaacck everywheeeeeeeeeeerrrreeeeeeee!
>>

>Could you be a bit more informative?

>* Which countries?
>* What is the sum they require you to prove you have?
>* How do they force you to spend it?
>  (In Eastern Europe they did this by requiring people to exchange the money
>   at the border, and by forbidding people to import or export the national
>   valuta.)

>Notice that only the third point amounts to the system formerly used
>in Eastern-European countries. 

>The second point only implements regulation to keep beggars out.

>>  Radovan Cerny

>Yours,

>        Gertjan Akkerman (  )

I remember that the daily allowance is required by Italy and mayby also by 
Switzerland. Could be also other countries. The sum is not very high. They 
don't force you to spend it. As the Czech customs will not. But on request you 
have to prove that you have it. Maybe that the daily allowance is asked only 
from non-EC or East Europe people. I was never asked for it.



  Radovan Cerny

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I was adopted as an infant and found my birth mother a few years ago.  She grew
 up 
in Budapest but moved to America when she was 16.  I know I have relatives ther
e, 
but I'm not really in a position to contact them, nor do I want to bother them 
with 
"unwanted" questions.  However, I'm very curious about my family history.  My b
irth 
mother's maiden name is Rasky.  Where can I get more info. about the name or ho
w to 
research my family tree?

Thanks,
Laura

In article >
            "Matt Kovacs" writes:

> Can anyone recommend a recent, brief, concise, and accurate history of
> the Magyar people ? Thanks.
>                             Matt Kovacs
> 
If it's a brief history, have you tried Microsoft Encarta? It seems to
cover most major events from the settlement of the Magyars from the Ob
valley onwards. There is also a (slightly conflicting) parallel history
in the Rumanian entry, this concerns itself (obviously) with
the Erde'ly and the (oft disputed in this newsgroup ;>) Treaty of Trianon.
There are hypertext links to people and causal events concerning Hungary.
I'm not saying that this is a definitive work; but you can do far worse!

Any other suggestions out there? I'm interested in this subject too!
-- 
Dave Pearson

 (Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski) wrote:

>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  

Was that requirement imposed only on Polish tourists or on ALL tourists?
Have you noticed any similar requirments in Slovakia?

Did we find another professional victim who feels the world revolves around
him? Or at least should?  


Karl Pollak
Bottom Line Productions           Canadian Infomaticon BBS,
Richmond, British Columbia        Fido 1:153/965  (604) 275-9579

In article > , 
writes:
>Oh, hat gondoltam erre is van egy jol atgondolt koncepciod.  Amit itt
>javasoltal, az nem az, mivel igy akarki tudna partot alapitani.

Hat ha nincs penz, akkor kenytelenek leszunk megint megostromolni
a Teli Palotat. Akkor talan foglalkozni fog velunk a sajto.

Vagy kerhetnek segitseget s.c.romanian-bol. Milyen szep is lenne:
feher lovon beugetnek a roman hadsereg elen a Parlament ele, majd
kozfelkialtassal miniszterelnoknek valasztana a nep a Duna jegen..

Tamas

In article >  (Leszek Andrzej 
Kleczkowski) writes:
>From:  (Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski)
>Subject: Re: More Countries May Soon Join CEFTA
>Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:41:04 GMT

>Jerry Ostrowski ) wrote:
>:       Per Reuters, CEFTA (Central European Free Trade Agreement) may
>: soon be modified to allow admission of a new member - Slovenia.  
>: CEFTA was established by Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia
>: in 1992 to promote free trade among the member countries by eliminating
>: or reducing tariff duties.  Apart from Slovenia - Romania, Lithuania,
>: Latvia and Estonia have expressed their interest in joining the
>: organization.
>:        Poland's trade with the other CEFTA countries grew to
>: US$1.7 billion last year from US$1.3 in 1992. In the first five months
>: of 1995 it totalled already more than US$1 billion.

>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
>Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against the 
>Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
>authorities decision??

>Leszek

True rationale seems to be:

1) eliminate influx of insolvent people from the East, Far East and Middle 
East.

2) Rip off people from the West a little more by ordering them to exchange 
Western currency right on the border (I am pretty sure at a exchange rate not 
tooooo gooood for tourist).

The same trick was used for years during communist rule. Remember? 
They'rrreeee baaaaaaaaacck!

Rosta        
----------------------------------
"I ain't gonna be, I ain't gonna be no fool no more."
                           John Lee Hooker - Wasted Years

In >  (Ross Hedvicek)
writes: 
>
>In article >  (Leszek Andrzej
Kleczkowski) writes:
>>From:  (Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski)
>>Subject: Re: More Countries May Soon Join CEFTA
>>Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:41:04 GMT
>
>>Jerry Ostrowski ) wrote:
>>:       Per Reuters, CEFTA (Central European Free Trade Agreement) may
>>: soon be modified to allow admission of a new member - Slovenia.  
>>: CEFTA was established by Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia
>>: in 1992 to promote free trade among the member countries by eliminating
>>: or reducing tariff duties.  Apart from Slovenia - Romania, Lithuania,
>>: Latvia and Estonia have expressed their interest in joining the
>>: organization.
>>:        Poland's trade with the other CEFTA countries grew to
>>: US$1.7 billion last year from US$1.3 in 1992. In the first five months
>>: of 1995 it totalled already more than US$1 billion.
>
>>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
>>Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against the 
>>Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
>>authorities decision??
>
>>Leszek
>
>True rationale seems to be:
>
>1) eliminate influx of insolvent people from the East, Far East and Middle 
>East.
>
>2) Rip off people from the West a little more by ordering them to exchange 
>Western currency right on the border (I am pretty sure at a exchange rate not 
>tooooo gooood for tourist).
>
>The same trick was used for years during communist rule. Remember? 
>They'rrreeee baaaaaaaaacck!
>
>Rosta        
>----------------------------------
>"I ain't gonna be, I ain't gonna be no fool no more."
>                           John Lee Hooker - Wasted Years
>                    

	One of the purposes of creating CEFTA has been making the
Central European economies better prepared for the competitive
environment of EU when their time for membership comes.  Also, another
idea was so called 'collective bargaining' in Poland's, Hungary's,
Czech
Republic's and Slovakia's persuits for EU membership.
	Unfortunately the latter one did not work.  Czech government  was
the first to oppose the collective bargaining idea and has opted for
individual efforts to join the rich '15' ('12' in 1992).  I don't know
the reasons for this policy (if someone does, please post it) but
having read Leszek Kleczkowski's message, it looks to me that some
officials in the Czech government have a problem with free trade and
maybe with CEFTA in
general.
	IMHO, Central European states would have more "muscle" if they
pooled together and negotiated with EU as an economic _bloc_ with its
combined population of over 66 mln people (including Slovenia) rather
than from position of a "banana republic'.  So far there've been some
statements made by a bunch of politicians from EU countries - the
strongest one yet from Germany - supporting CEFTA countries membership
in EU but so far, there has been no _firm_ timetable for their
admission to the Union.

Jerry O.