> > Vitatkozni vitatkozik mindenki, de a ketkezi munkatol, meg a koltsegek
> > vallalasatol mar irtozik.

> Nem hiszem, hogy altalanosithatsz...

Meg tudsz nevezni me'g egy szemelyt/csoportosulast, mely
szinten elhatarozta volna magat, hogy a policy megvitatasan kivul
tenni is akar valamit?

Egyebkent az ISP-k barati tarsasaga is visszaesett, nullarol kezdik ujra. :-(

> #flame off
>
> > Na ezert mar lehetne piszkalni oket. De ezen a listan kar is erolkodni,
> > nem fognak reagalni.
> AKkor piszkald oket pliz...

Aztan miert eppen en? Piszkald te!

Sot! Van ezen a listan egy majdnem olyan bobeszedu szemely mint en, ;-)
aki eljar az ulesekre, es velem ellentetben nagyon is belefolyik
az ISP-k vitajaba. Talan ot kellene megkerni, hogy tajekoztassa
a lista olvasoit. Kulonosen azutan, hogy engem elmarasztalt, amiert
masodkezbol szerzett informaciokat szelloztetek meg.

>
> > >
> Se veled, se ellenede. Igaz? :-)

Pardon?
Velem nem, az biztos, ha ez alatt azt erted, hogy tobbe ket szalmaszalat
nem teszek keresztbe.
De mi az ellened(r)e? Dumalnom nekem is szabad, mint barki masnak,
ennel tobb befolyasom meg ugy sincs. ;-)

Gabor

Bocs, az elobb tevedesbol a listara ment a tesztlevelem.

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Irtam . Masok is tiltakozhatnak, hatha lesz hatasa.

Gabor

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> ***********************************************************************
> This works, I did it and have already received $682.00 in the past week.
> ************************************************************************
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two
> minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some
> serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready to do
> almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill
> collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your
> favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting,
> exciting find!
>    Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right!. I
> found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes
> like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing
> scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I have tried
> every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I
> somehow got on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more
> like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!').
> Well,  when I was a teenager,  these claims to 'get me rich quick'
> sounded irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there,
> $24.95 here, and another $49.95 there.  I had maxed out my new Circuit
> City Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!!  So, I gave them
> all a chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for
> some people, but not for me.  Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL
> in the trash when I got the mail.  I recognized it right away.  I can
> smell a money scam from a mile away these days,  SO I THOUGHT....
> I thought I could sniff out a scam easily.  WAS I WRONG!!  ....I LOVE
> THE INTERNET!!!
>
>    I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to
> GET CASH FAST!!  I thought..."Here on the Internet??  Well, I'll just
> have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." The
> article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE
> AND MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS!  Well, the more I thought
> about it, the more I became very curious. Why? Because of the way it
> worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE
> STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!!
>
>    Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe a tough amount to reach, but
> it was possible.  I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000
> or so.  So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed
> out ('snail mail'for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each
> of the five people on the list that was contained in the article.  I
> included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To
> Your List."  I then removed the first position name of the five names
> listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in
> position five of the list.  This is how the money starts rolling in!
> I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and
> REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD
> MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW.  I then waited to watch the money come
> in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so....
> But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!!  I
> knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people
> all over the world-Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some
> from Australia!  I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!!  So how much did I
> get in total return?  $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of
> $23,343!!!  I couldn't believe it!!
>
>    I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to
> this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So
> maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but  IT
> COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL!  You must follow through
> and repost this article everywhere you can think of!  The more
> postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your
> very own mailbox!!  It's just too easy to pass up!!!
>
>    Let's review the reasons why you should do this:  The only cost
> factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar
> bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal
> Service Mail).  Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME
> ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can.  Then sit back
> and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o  ) down
> your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!!  We all have
> five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with
> SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5
> weeks!  So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY,EAT AT HOME
> TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND INVEST FIVE  DOLLARS IN
> THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!
>
>    So how do you do it exactly, you ask?  I have carefully provided
> the mostdetailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily
> get this underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO
> MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!!
>
> *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. ***
>
> OK,  Read this carefully.  Get a printout of this information, if you
> like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed.
>
> INSTRUCTIONS:
>
> 1.  Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following:
> "Please add my name to your list".  This creates a service out of this
> money making system and thus making it completely legal. You are not
> just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar
> for a legitimate service.  Make sure  you include your name and
> address.  I assure you that,  again,  this is completely legal!  For a
> neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were
> in slot 3",  Just to add a little fun!  This is all about having fun
> and making money at the same time!
>
> 2.  Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or
> money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to
> the five people listed.  The folding of the paper around the bill will
> insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!!
>
> 3.  Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO
> YOUR MAILBOX.   Look at the list of five people;  remove the first
> name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on
> the list.  Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot ,
> position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be be 3, 5 wil be 4.
> Now put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the
> bottom position on the list.
>
> 4.  Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
> bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible.  Give a
> catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such as:
> "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF
> YOUR DEBTS??",  etc.  And the more uploads, the more money you will
> make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make
> too.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING
> FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap
> the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads
> you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more!  Always have a goal in
> mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading,  that will make
> it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their
> hard drive.  That way they get a copy of the article right on their
> computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from
> the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text
> file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
> Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
> look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the
> ends of the sentences, you're in business!
>
> 5.  If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or
> "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them
> who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP.
> I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many
> internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively
> simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for help or look in
> the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply
> select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box,
> choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse'
> to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it
> and choose 'OK'.  Place a one line statement in the main body section
> of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how
> to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever.
> Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something
> like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"
>
> You'll never get ANY responses!
>
> 6.  And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE
> CASH IS ON THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money start to
> trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM
> WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the
> mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you
> realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!
>
> 7.  So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
> special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or
> the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.  ENJOY
> LIFE!
>
> 8.  Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-activate
> this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally
> posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose
> this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need
> cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND
> TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED!
>
> 9.  (This step added by Charles Reiley).  Hello, This is exciting,
> isn't it?! While I'm on the list, just add a note saying "Please
> include extra money tips" with your name & E-MAIL address, and I will
> (FOR FREE) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will
> receive with this plan. Why?... Why not? I'm not a selfish jerk...I
> like helping out others. E-mail just makes it a touch easier and
> cheaper, too!  After I drop off the list, I can no longer offer you
> this advice, obviously, but maybe someone else who gets my tips will
> offer and simply replace my name on this step number 9. Good luck and
> give this plan your all, it will definitely pay off! Like Mike said,
> HAVE FUN WITH IT!!!
>
> 10. (This comment added by Mike Lorincz) Hell dude, this is great, just
> send the money and wait like 1 week, then all of a sudden, BOOOOOOM!
> Mail flood full of dollar bills. Hahahah its great
> ******************************************************************
> ******************************************************************
> THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAME LIST
> ******************************************************************
> *     HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!!
> *
> *  1. Shane Uhlir
> *     121 S. Beltwoods Dr.
> *     DeSoto, TX 75115
> *
> *  2. Sandy Kim
> *     3047 David Ave #10
> *     Campbell, CA 95128
> *
> *  3. Kevin Warkentin
> *     1709 Ulex
> *     McAllen, TX 78504
> *
> *  4. Mike Hubris
> *      401 Gen Geo Patton Rd.
> *      Nashville, TN 37221
> *
> *  5. Josh Kraker
> *     2201 Short Hills Dr.
> *     Akron, Ohio 44333
> *
> ***********************************************************************
> This works, I did it and have already received $682.00 in the past week.
> ************************************************************************
>

At 09:28 96.09.09 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Aztan miert eppen en? Piszkald te!
>
>Sot! Van ezen a listan egy majdnem olyan bobeszedu szemely mint en, ;-)
>aki eljar az ulesekre, es velem ellentetben nagyon is belefolyik
>az ISP-k vitajaba. Talan ot kellene megkerni, hogy tajekoztassa
>a lista olvasoit. Kulonosen azutan, hogy engem elmarasztalt, amiert
>masodkezbol szerzett informaciokat szelloztetek meg.
>

Mint mar emlitettem:

A teny: az Internet szolgaltatok kozosen targyalnak mar ket honapja a .HU
TLD tovabbi sorsarol, a regisztracio szabalyairol, modjarol. Minden
szolgaltato elott nyitott a forum, s amint valamifele egyezseg kialakul,
ezen a listan is beszamolunk majd rola. Egyenlore nincs megallapodas, kemeny
a dio.

Ennyi. Javasolni fogom a holnapi megbeszelesen egy kozlemeny
megfogalmazasat, bar nem igazan van mas kozerdeku informacio.


> --------------------------------------------

Andras Tudos
Computronic, C3
Budapest, Hungary

Phone:  +36 1 2090538
Mobile: +36 30 316138
Fax:    +36 1 2090847
E-Mail: 

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Gabor Kiss wrote:

> > Nem hiszem, hogy altalanosithatsz...
> Meg tudsz nevezni me'g egy szemelyt/csoportosulast, mely
> szinten elhatarozta volna magat, hogy a policy megvitatasan kivul
> tenni is akar valamit?
Igen. Hudom-l -en irtak paran, hogy csinalnak egy szervezetet. Olyan is
irt, aki mar nyomul alapitvanyban es segit nekik. Hol tartanak nem tudom.
Abban nem altalanosithatsz, hogy azt mondod, nem is akar senki tenni
semmit, csak bele szeretne ugatni. Ez pl. ram meg igaz is lehetne, de
voltak (vannak?) a listan olyan tagok, akik tenni szeretnenek (szerettek
volna). OK, ha jol ertelmeztem a regi leveleket, az ex admin dolgokkal
harmonizalva szerettek volna megoldani a problemot, de a nyers ero,
mely bindelve ecceruen a IPS statuszhoz kotidik, szejjelvagta a kerdest.
Mint mar irtam, az akademiai szferanak a kepviseletet a HUNGARNET kezeben
latom megoldottnak. Vagyis:
legitim TLD = akademiai kozosseg + IPS + kormany + .......(?)

> > AKkor piszkald oket pliz...
> Aztan miert eppen en? Piszkald te!
OK. Ad meg a mail cimet!

> Talan ot kellene megkerni, hogy tajekoztassa a lista olvasoit.
Talan csak nem TA-ra gondolsz? ;-)


Kedves Tudos Andras!
Tajekoztasd pliz a listat!


> > Se veled, se ellenede. Igaz? :-)
> Pardon?
A "se veled, se ellened" mondatot, mint a te kinyilatkozasodat gondoltam.
Vagyis a egyes szam masodik szemely ez a lista, aki ellen nem tesszel, de
erte sem. Ti (pontosan nem t'om az osszes szereplot, de Horvath Nandor es
te kozvetetlenul) felepitettetek egy rendszert es most nezitek az
osszeduleset... Ha nem igy van, akkor javits ki es suru elnezesek
kozepette fogok bocsanatot kerni...

Udv
GGG

> > > Nem hiszem, hogy altalanosithatsz...
> > Meg tudsz nevezni me'g egy szemelyt/csoportosulast, mely
> > szinten elhatarozta volna magat, hogy a policy megvitatasan kivul
> > tenni is akar valamit?
> Igen. Hudom-l -en irtak paran, hogy csinalnak egy szervezetet. Olyan is
> irt, aki mar nyomul alapitvanyban es segit nekik. Hol tartanak nem tudom.
> Abban nem altalanosithatsz, hogy azt mondod, nem is akar senki tenni

Oke, oke. Megnevezni ugyan nem tudtal senkit, de azt mondod vannak.
Ez elkerulhette a figyelmem. Elnezest kerek!

Ez esetben viszont jo lesz, ha csipkedik magukat, mert azt rebesgetik,
a KHVM nem er ra ilyesmivel bibelodni, es az ISP-k tomoruleset
hajlando legitim partnernek tekinteni es rajuk hagyja a policy-t.
(Mas kerdes, hogy kesobb esetleg megis betelepul a keszbe.)


> Mint mar irtam, az akademiai szferanak a kepviseletet a HUNGARNET kezeben
> latom megoldottnak. Vagyis:
> legitim TLD = akademiai kozosseg + IPS + kormany + .......(?)

Na ez meg ossze is johet, leszamitva a ....-t. ;-)



> erte sem. Ti (pontosan nem t'om az osszes szereplot, de Horvath Nandor es
> te kozvetetlenul) felepitettetek egy rendszert es most nezitek az
> osszeduleset... Ha nem igy van, akkor javits ki es suru elnezesek
> kozepette fogok bocsanatot kerni...

Nem kell bocsanatot kerni, nem latok ebben semmi sertot.
Raadasul ami engem illet, igaz is.

Gabor

Eddig sem szoltam hozza, de most egy kajan megjegyzes: Ugye milyen jo lett
volna egy eve az ac.hu, co.hu, stb domaineket bevezetni.

vajk

--
Fekete Vajk                       student of Technical University of Budapest
                               Schonherz Zoltan Dormitory
http://www.sch.bme.hu/~vajk

On  9 Sep 96 at 14:45, Fekete Vajk wrote:

> Eddig sem szoltam hozza, de most egy kajan megjegyzes: Ugye milyen jo
> lett volna egy eve az ac.hu, co.hu, stb domaineket bevezetni.
>
> vajk
Ez kajan megjegyzesnek jo, de biztos vagy-e benne, hogy tenyleg
jo lett volna? Ugy emlekszem valaki levezette a koltseg es egyeb
kihatasait.
--

Kova'cs Csaba
Dunau'jva'ros, HUNGARY