Kobor J. irja:

>Illes Zoltan nem az OAB megszunteteset javasolta (1), hanem annak a
>felhaborito allapotnak a megszunteteset, hogy mint az OAB, ill. a
>mellerendelt tudomanyos tanacs lenyegeben csak pronuklearis, 
>elkotelezett szervezetek prominens kepviseloit tartalmazza(2), 
>holott tudomasom szerint ez serti az Atomtorvenyt is(3). Vajda 
>akademikus, aki uralja ezt az egeszet, elnoke az europai es a magyar 
>nuklearis tarsasagnak(4), amelyek latvanyos propagandat fejtenek ki 
>az utobbi idoben. Kivancsi lennek, milyen penzbol egyebkent, 
>mikozben tudomasom szerint az Atomtorveny altal eloirt Nuklearis 
>Alap feltoltese is akadozik(5).

(1) Sajnos mar nincs meg a cikk, igy nem tudom szo szerint idezni 
(persze csak azt, amit az ujsag irt)

(2) Ez ugy is fogalmazhato, hogy szakmahoz erto emberek.

(3) 1996. evi CXVI torveny az atomenergiarol 8. paragrafus (1) bek.:
"...Az OAB tagjai az atomenergia alkalmazasa teruleten a torveny 
alapjan hatosagi feladatokat ellato miniszteriumok es kozponti 
kozigazgatasi szervek vezeto tisztsegviseloi. Az OAB tagjait az 
erintett miniszterek es kozponti igazgatasi szervek vezetoi az OAB 
elnokenek egyetertesevel jelolik ki es mentik fel. ..."
Mi serti a torvenyt ?

(4) A Magyar Nuklearis Tarsasag elnoke Koblinger Laszlo, Vajda meg 
csak tisztseget sem visel. Az ENS meg soha nem valasztott magyar 
elnokot, tudtom szerint ott sincs meg tisztsege sem Vajda Gyorgynek.
De miert volna baj?

(5) Ezt ki mondta? Az en tudomasom szerint nem, de nem akarok allast 
foglalni mert nincs tenyszeru ismeretem. Feltevesekrol meg ...

A szegenyitett uran szetszorodas az alfa sugarzo inkorporacioja miatt 
valoban lehet veszelyes. Megitelesehez tudni kellene az EFEK erteket, 
de nem talalom a szabvanyomat. (Biztos valaki kolcsonkerte es 
ajandekozasnak ertette) Ha tudod az erteket akkor ujra szamolok.
(Eddig a 3kBq/m2 felso becsleshez jutottunk, ha max. 1000 km2-en 
szorodott szet az osszes uran)

Happy Earth Day!

SONG FOR THE BLUEFIN TUNA

Carl Safina is a fanatic fisherman.  He's especially fanatic about ocean fish,
which got him interested in seabirds, which got him into serious biology, which
got him infuriated about what he was seeing in the fisheries, which got him to
found the Audubon Society's Living Oceans Program.

All of which got him to write Song for the Blue Ocean, a gripping book, believe
it or not, about fish.  Safina takes you out in the boats with commercial
fleets.  He takes you to Tokyo's Tsukiji fish market, where a large fraction of
the world's catch ends up.  He takes you to national and international
meetings, where your jaw drops at the utter ineptness of fishing regulatory
bodies.  Best of all, Safina takes you into the astounding life of the fish,
especially his favorite, the giant bluefin tuna.

The bluefin is a muscular torpedo of a fish.  It can sprint at 50 miles an hour
and migrate thousands of miles.  Full-grown ones reach 1200 pounds, though
there are probably none left that big.  They don't begin to breed until they
get to 300 pounds.  Most are caught before they reach breeding size, a practice
which, everyone knows, dooms a fishery.

Everyone knows, but it's happening anyway,  because even a 200-pound juvenile,
even a 60-pound baby, is a big, valuable fish.  Safina says a bluefin can sell
at the dock for more than $50 a pound.  In Tokyo "one bluefin tuna recently
sold for $83,500.  The 715-pound giant was to be reduced to 2,400 servings of
sushi, for $75 per serving, bringing in an estimated $180,000.  One fish."

A few quotes from Safina's book pretty much sum up the problem of the bluefin
fishery.

Charlie Horton, professional fish spotter (from a small plane) for commercial
boats:  "The truth is, the fish guys have done a lousy job.  I mean, a really
LOUSY job.  So I'll support anybody that'll save these resources.  It's
possible we could wipe the fish out, just like it's possible to wipe out any
species."

Roger Hillhouse, another fish spotter: "We're not seeing any big, major year
classes.  We are not seeing the babies -- we are not seeing the spawning."

Ed Miller, Montauk marina owner: "What's surprising about the bluefin tuna
fishing is how fast the big fish have declined around here....  I don't know if
it's overfishing or natural, or some combination, but it sure has gone downhill
fast."

Steve Weiner, East Coast Tuna Association: "If other people cared as much about
their fisheries as we do about ours, we'd have very healthy fisheries
worldwide.  The bluefin regulations are working and the fish are coming back."

Gerry Abrams, fish dealer, founder of the East Coast Tuna Association: "I don't
buy the argument that man is the thing that is expendable in the quest to
correct whatever is wrong.  If we're going to err, we ought to err on the side
of employment....  The bluefin is not a legitimate conservation issue, because
the resource is not threatened.  Abundance is tremendous."

In 1981 scientists advising ICCAT (International Commission for the
Conservation of Atlantic Tuna -- Safina calls it the International Conspiracy
to Catch All the Tuna) warned that the bluefin population was depleted and the
catch should be reduced to zero, which it wasn't.  In 1990 the scientists
estimated that the breeding stock had declined 90 percent and that the ICCAT
quota (2660 metric tons per year) would continue the decline.  ICCAT has not
cut the quota, nor even enforced it strictly.

Alex Adler, Cape Cod fisherman: "Where we now see five to twelve fish in pods,
in the past the schools were frequently sixty to eighty fish, and I'd often see
schools of two hundred to four hundred fish.  It's great to have a shot a
catching a fish worth ten grand, but they're worth so much money now, these
guys will take the last buffalo.  It's a sad deal.  Deep down, I know the
bluefin is in danger."

Frank Mather, tuna researcher: "When the seiners started, they were catching
young fish.  They'd get a hundred tons of ten-pound fish, about twenty thousand
young bluefins....  they were catching almost everything they saw....  A lot of
fish were wasted because if a boat netted a hundred-ton school and only had
room left on board for ten tons they would just drop the rest, which were
already dead....  Now they say the breeders are down ninety percent ..., but
the young fish were already creamed in 1970."

Japanese ICCAT delegate: "This year we are pleased to see the stock has been
showing a stable trend."  (The scientific report actually showed a 20 percent
drop.)  "Current catch limits should result in increases in the population
within five years."  (The report said the population will decline further
unless the catch is halved.)  "We see no reason for further catch reductions."

U.S. ICCAT delegate: "I've been coming here since 1983, and nothing -- EVER --
happens.  Nothing.  Nothing.  Nothing!"

Crashed populations of bluefin, cod, haddock, swordfish, are now costing New
England fisheries $350 million in potential revenue annually and more than
fourteen thousand jobs.  Former fishing towns in New England and eastern Canada
are experiencing 60 percent unemployment and a welfare burden of $2 billion. 
The U.S. as a whole is losing three hundred thousand jobs and $8 billion a year
from depleted fisheries.

Ron Bulmer, Fisheries Council of Canada: "The cod crisis has taught us a
valuable lesson that others are going to have to learn, that we must err on the
side of conservation."

 (Donella H. Meadows is director of the Sustainability Institute and an adjunct
professor of environmental studies at Dartmouth College.)

Innovativ otletek az allatvedelemben Otletpalyazat
Az Okotars Alapitvany otletpalyazatot hirdet ujszeru allatvedelmi kampany-
es tevekenysegtervek megfogalmazasara. A programra civil szervezetek es
maganszemelyek egyarant beadhatnak palyazatot.
A palyazat celja kreativ, ujszeru, a fenntarthato fejlodes kriteriumainak
megfelelo megoldasokat keresni korunk lenyeges allatvedelmi problemaira. A
palyazaton, mint elkepzelt, mint megvalosult mintaprojektek terveivel is
reszt lehet venni.
A jelenlegi otletpalyazat altal nem konkret tervek megvalosulasat akarjuk
tamogatni, hanem a hazai allatvedelem eszkoztarat szeretnenk gazdagitani.
Ezert az Alapitvany - a szerzoi jogok tiszteletben tartasa mellett -
fenntartja maganak a jogot a palyamuvek publikalasara.
A palyazat kereteben olyan tanulmanyokat varunk, amelyek:
- kornyezeti, tarsadalmi es gazdasagi szempontokat is figyelembe vevo,
komplex megoldasokat kinalnak, megfontoljak a javasolt tevekenysegek hosszu
tavu hatasait, reszletesen leirjak a tervezett tevekenyseget, amellyel el
kivanjak erni a celokat, elosegitik a lakossag bevonasat a problema
megoldasaban valo szeleskoru reszvetelre, modellkent hasznalhatok a civil
szervezetek allatvedelmi tevekenysege soran.
Kulonosen varjuk az innovativ otleteket az allattenyesztesi kultura
javitasa, hobbi allattartas, kiserleti allatok problemaja es allatotthon
mukodtetese temakban.
A beadando dolgozat elvart tartalmarol bovebb felvilagositasert Farkas
Istvan programvezetohoz fordulhatnak az 1/209-5624 vagy 1/4668866
telefonszamokon.
Beadasi hatarido: 1999. majus 22.
A dijak: I. 30 000 Ft, II. 20 000 Ft, III. 10 000 Ft. Egy helyezest tobb
palyazo is elnyerhet, es az Alapitvany fenntartja maganak a jogot, hogy ne
hirdessen nyertest a palyazaton.
A palyazatokat az alabbi cimre kuldjek:
Okotars Alapitvany, 1519 Budapest, Pf. 411.
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Mindenfele utolagos hoszigeteles kornyezetkimelo, azaltal, hogy csokkenti
a futesre forditott energiat. A tobbi hatas emellett elhanyagolhato, igy
valasszatok a legolcsobbat (sajnos az is nagyon draga, nem hiszem, hogy
1500 Ft/m2-nel olcsobb lesz...)
Lengyelorszagban lattam olyan megoldast, hogy polisztirolhab tablakra
gyarilag felkentek egy vakolatreteget, a tablak ellel-horonnyal
csatlakozva a hazra erre szolgalo ragasztoval rogzitve hezagmentes
szigetelest adtak. A tablak szeleinel kicsit lecsapott vakolatreteg
pedig erdekes kotomb kulsot adott a haznak. Nem tudom, itthon van-e mar
ilyen, a lengyeleknel ez volt a legolcsobb utoszigeteles (eleve az anyag
is csak kevessel volt dragabb mint a polisztirol, a munkadij pedig joval
kevesebb).
Udv///Laci (csaladihaz-epitkezo)

===============
> Felado :  [Hungary]
> Temakor: Re: *** HIX KORNYESZ *** #652 ( 53 sor )
> Idopont: Wed Apr 21 04:52:24 EDT 1999 KORNYESZ #654
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, HIX KORNYESZ wrote:
Gacs Ivan ur nehany szosszenetere reagalni kell.
Illes Zoltan nem az OAB megszunteteset javasolta, hanem annak a
felhaborito allapotnak a megszunteteset, hogy mint az OAB, ill. a
mellerendelt tudomanyos tanacs lenyegeben csak pronuklearis, elkotelezett
szervezetek prominens kepviseloit tartalmazza, holott tudomasom szerint ez
serti az Atomtorvenyt is. Vajda akademikus, aki uralja ezt az egeszet,
elnoke az europai es a magyar nuklearis tarsasagnak, amelyek latvanyos
propagandat fejtenek ki az utobbi idoben. Kivancsi lennek, milyen penzbol
egyebkent, mikozben tudomasom szerint az Atomtorveny altal eloirt
Nuklearis Alap feltoltese is akadozik. Jomagam egyebkent jelen voltam az
Atomtorveny 1996 oszi bizottsagi vitain. Vajda Gyorgy lesoport minden
olyan modosito javaslatot, amely akarcsak halvany garanciat jelentett

volna arra, hogy a a szoros haveri korukon kivul mas is ott lehet. A
veszpremi Kanyar Belan kivul nincs elfogulatlannak tekintheto szemely a
tudomanyos bizottsagban sem. Felhaborito, hogy az a Sztanyik B. Laszlo,
aki a csernobili katasztrofa idejen a kozvelemenyt felrevezeto informaciok
forrasa volt, meg ma is foszakertokent tetszeleghet.
 Mellesleg Vajda ur aldasos tevekenysegenek (no es persze a KTM-KOM
mindenkori gyengesegenek) koszonheto az is, hogy a vilagon
egyedulallo modon - Magyarorszagon nincs semmifele szervezeti kapcsolat a
kornyezetvedelmi tarca es a nuklearis biztonsag kozott. Tehat meg ok sem
delegalhatnak oda senkit. Ez megmutatkozott
pl. a legutobbi INEX-2 gyakorlatnal is, ahol epp a kornyezetvedelmi
felugyelosegek nem kaptak semmi feladatot.


                                             Kobor Jozsef
Kedves Kobor Jozsef!

Kerlek ragaszkodjunk a tenyekhez. Leveledben tobb targyi tevedes, vagy 
tudatos csusztatas is van.

1.	Az Orszagas Atomenergia Bizottsag elnoke a gazdasagi miniszter, tagjai 
pedig a kulonbozo tarcak altal delegalt emberek, tobbsegukben helyettes 
allamtitkarok es a nuklearis letesitmenyek vezetoi, tehat tobbsegeben 
politikusokbol allo testulet. A mellette mukodo tudomanyos tanacsban a 
hazai nuklearis szakma vezetoi, akademikusok, intezeti igazgatok vesznek 
reszt, nem kell oket szeretni, de az teny, hogy szakteruletuk szakertoinke 
szamitanak. Mit varsz, talan vizepito mernokok, esetleg biologusok, 
irodalmarok uljenek az OAB TT-ben, vagy pedig olyanok, akik valamit ertenek 
ehhez a szakmahoz? Ha valaki elkotelezetten atomenergia parti, akkor mar 
pronuklearis lobbistanak kell tekinteni, akinek semmi keresnivaloja a 
szakmat kepviselo vezeto testuletben?
2.	Kevered az OAB-t az Orszagos Atomenergia Hivatallal, aminek valoban 
foigazgatoja Vajda Gyorgy, de viszont nem elnoke a Magyar Nuklearis 
Tarsasagnak.
3.	Az Atomtorveny a szakma altal egyertelmuen jonak tekintett torveny, ami 
nagyon sok addig fennallo problemet rendezett. Egy gond van csak, hogy sok 
fontos vegrehajtasi rendelet (pl. eppen a Kornyezetvedelmi Miniszteriume) 
meg mindig nem jelent meg. Kerlek mond meg, hogy az Atomtorvenyben hol van 
az leirva, hogy az OAB-ban olyan embereknek is helyet kell adni, akik 
elkotelezetten es kinyilvanitottan ellensegesen viszonyulnak a nuklearis 
szakmahoz.
4.	A Kozponti Nuklearis Penzugyi Alap (KNPA) feltoltese mar masodik eve 
zajlik, iden a Paksi Atomeromu majdnem 10 milliard forintot fizet be. 
Megalakult a hulladekok kezeleseert es az eromu lebontasaert felelos 
intezmeny, a Radioaktiv Hulladekokat Kezelo Kozhasznu Tarsasag, amely az 
alapbol finanszirozando beruhazasokat vegzi, illetve a hulladektarolokat 
uzemelteti.
5.	Sztanyik B. Laszlo az Orszagos Atomenergia Hivatalban volt foszakerto 
nyugdijba vonulasa utan, de tudtommal mar nem az. Valoban erdekes es 
ellentmondasos szemelyisege O a hazai sugaregeszsegugynek, sugarvedelemnek 
de nehogy azt hidd, hogy 1986-ban azt mondhatott, amit akart.
6.	Az INEX-2 HU nuklearisbaleset-elharitasi gyakorlat kivaloan sikerult, a 
kornyezetvedelmi felugyelosegeknek semmi olyan infrastrukturajuk nincs 
(meroallomasok, mintagyujto allomasok, szamitogepes halozatban valo 
reszvetel, stb...), amivel a gyakorlatban reszt tudtak volna venni. Ha 
erdekel a Nuklearisbaleset-elharitasi Kormanybizottsag Baleseti Informacios 
Kozpontjanak mukodese tajekozodj a http://www.bik.hu cimen.
7.	A kornyezetvedelmi tarca intezmenye pl. az atomeromu felugyeleteben 
szakhatosagkent mukodik kozre, ok ellenorzik azt, hogy az eromu betartja-e 
az eloirt radioaktiv kibocsatasi korlatokat. Tehat nem mondanam azt, hogy a 
nuklearis biztonsagra nincsenek hatassal.

Udvozlettel

Barnabas Istvan

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