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1 Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Istvannak es a Magyar listanak (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Istvannak es a Magyar listanak (mind)  81 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Reaching the limits? (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: NATO candidates (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
6 Today s Excepts from Central Europe (mind)  123 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: George Soros (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: the 7 magyar tribes (megkovetlek, Istvan) (mind)  3 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: George Soros Founds Charter Europe (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
11 RI-803i Yeltsin-Interview on NATO and Russia (mind)  242 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Some little known historical facts (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Who is a Magyar, what is a Magyar ? (mind)  44 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Igy irnak o"k (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Dreams (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Nezzetek ! Mr. (or Ms.?) rt765 fejlodo kepes. Most mar megtanult (nehany szot) 
magyarul.Minden esetre, olvasott szemelynek latszik. Mint ilyen biztosan tudja,
 
hogy az europai nyelvek mai formaban levo kialakulasaban (es nemzeti ontudat 
fejleszteseben)  nagy szerepet jatszott a biblia nemzeti nyelven valo olvasasa.
 
Igy nem tulsagosan erdektelen megvizsgalni azt a tenyt, hogy mikor es hol volt 
elso ruman nyelvu biblia kiadattva es azt is, hogy kinek a penzen. Szinten 
erdekelne az o nezete az elso ruman nyelvu, nem vallasi targyu konyv kiadasi 
helyet illetoen. 
G. ;-)>
+ - Re: Istvannak es a Magyar listanak (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dominus > wrote and wrote...
Nincs is problemam vela csak a vegen
> Es megint ismetlem, hogy mindez nem teszi a magyarsagot
> kivulallova, kulonosse Europaban, a tobbi nemzet is
> hasonloan viselkedett, Ami viszont nem mentseg, s ezert a
> szegyen a mienk. De azt is mondom hogy a Nemzetet nem fedi
> bun, es aki a Nepet buntudattal akarja megterhelni, epp
> olyan felelotlenul okoz kart, mint aki tagadja apaink minden
> vetket.

Miert szegyenkeznenk.  Amerikaban is vannak gyilkosok, de nem szegyenkezek 
miattuk, pedig amerikai polgar vagyok.  Mindenhol vannak.  

Majdnem elfelejtettem!  Angyalfoldon egy harom emeletes tomeghaz harmadik
emeleten laktunk.  A melletunk levo kis lakasban (egy szoba es konyha, ket
lakasnak egy wc) lakott egy alacsony foku hivatalnok.  A zsidoknak adott
(nem hiszem, hogy eladott mert nagyon szegenyen eltek) kiutazasi papirokat.
 Amikor jottek a nemetek akkor kiugrott az ablakon es meghalt.  A felesege,
lanya, es fia nyomorban eltek.

Ezert is gurulok be ha valaki mondja, hogy a magyarok igy meg ugy.  En
kihagasokat nem lattam es gonosz embereket nem ismertem.  Csak azokrol
tudok akit segitettek.  (Persze nem mindenki olyan szerencses, hogy
angyalfoldon nojon fel.)  Most is csak rendes becsuletes magyarokat,
amerikaiakat, es zsidokat (magyar es amerikai) ismerek.  A harom magyar
listan is csak ket embert nem birok ki.  Az Agnes leveleit (amikor nem
velem veszekszik) kulonossen szeretem olvasni.

Istvan
+ - Re: Istvannak es a Magyar listanak (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (aheringer) wrote:

>In article >, 
>Biztos, azt akarod hogy, oreg, alacsony, kopasz, kover, magyarok 
>legioja irkaljon neked leveleket? 
>>> >Istvan

>>Agnes:
>>> En is alacsony vagyok, oreg es kover (nem kopasz).  Nem akarok 
>>> hozzamenni felesegul.

>>Akkor minden rendbe van, en nagyon boldog
>>hazas vagyok (a felesegem itt al mogottem es mondta, hogy ezt irjam), es
>>nem tudom megkerni felesegul.
>>Istvan     
>
>En sem vagyok venkisasszony....
>Agnes
>


Tyuha! Egy napig nem olvasom ezt a rovatot, es mindjart
kimaradok a leanykeresbol! Hol vannak ezek a kis uzenetek? -
mindent osszekerestem ertuk!  Agi es Istvan civil dolgokrol
beszelgetnek, pletykazgatnak..., hat megszol a vilag,..!
Hogy en is beszalljak a vetelgetobe: nem vagyok alacsony... 

Visszaterve a temara, amit azt hiszem mar bezarhatunk,
hiszen mindenki egyetert, mar amennyire ket (es itt meg
tobb) magyar egyet tud erteni.
Bogsanyi Denestol is kaptam egy nagyon szep, atgondolt
levelet, amit sajnos az e-mail cimemre kuldott, es igy
nehezebb nyilvanosan megvalaszolni, es ugyerzem, hogy
tulajdonkeppen kozottunk sincs lenyegbevago kulonbseg. Egy
dolog kivetelevel.
Denes azt irja (nem szoszerint idezek, hanem ugy ahogy ertem
levele tartalmat), hogy nem hallott a csendorseg altal
elkovetett tenyleges atrocitasokrol. Azt is irja, hogy ezzel
szemben, hallott olyan esetekrol, amikor a csendorseg inkabb
enyhitette a keze alatt levok sorsat. 
Sajnos, en mindkettorol hallottam. Nem vitas, hogy a Magyar
Kiralyi Csendorseg egy kivalo karhatalmi szervezet volt es
sajnos idonkent politikai celokra hasznaltak. Nagyon
hasonlithato a Kanadai Kiralyi Lovas Csendorseghez. Egesz
biztosan voltak segitokesz, melegszivu csendorok. A
csendorseg joresze az egyik legertekesebb magyar tarsadalmi
retegbol: a kis es kozepbirtokos parasztsagbol lett
toborozva (ez a reteg az, akit a kesobbi kommunista rezsim
mint kulakot (magyarul: zsirosparaszt) belyegzett meg, es
irtott hatalma teljeben. Ezek a testben es lelekben egyarant
egeszseges parasztfiuk nem kepeztek egy szadista tomeget,
hanem probaltak embertelen parancsokat katonasan
teljesiteni. Mint minden emberi csoportban, kozottuk is volt
embertelen gazember, aki "lelkesebben" kovette ezeket a
parancsokat, mint kellett. Ezt elosegitette az eveken
keresztul hallott propaganda a szelsoseges jobboldalrol,
neha sajat tarsaiktol, tisztjeiktol es foleg politikai
mestereiktol, uraiktol. Sajnos, a csendorseg folott nemcsak
a sajat tisztjei es a belugyminiszter allottak, hanem a
szolgabirok, foszolgabirok es alispanok is, akiknek
szemelyisege es politikai nezetei nagyban befolyasoltak,
hogy korzetukben mily modon bantak a zsidokkal es az
ellenzekukkel.
Ebben viszont B. D.-el is egyetertunk, szerinte is a
bevagonirozas politikai elhatarozas volt. Amit, ahogy B.D.
is utal ra, nemely tiszt minimalisan hajtott vegre, s ebben
rejlik az is hogy mig egy masik resz normalisan, ahogy a
parancs megkovetelte, ugy nehany "maximalisan", azaz a
szuksegesnel kegyetlenebbul. Azt is be kell latnunk, hogy
minden vegrehajto kegyetelen az aldozatnak.
Es megint ismetlem, hogy mindez nem teszi a magyarsagot
kivulallova, kulonosse Europaban, a tobbi nemzet is
hasonloan viselkedett, Ami viszont nem mentseg, s ezert a
szegyen a mienk. De azt is mondom hogy a Nemzetet nem fedi
bun, es aki a Nepet buntudattal akarja megterhelni, epp
olyan felelotlenul okoz kart, mint aki tagadja apaink minden
vetket.

Ezen a teman ez volt az utolso szavam.
Deo gratias!
Dominus
+ - Re: Reaching the limits? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 19 Mar 1997 12:53:40 GMT, Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>There is a considerable population
>of Rom in Hungary -- is there a Romani University? Why not? 

I don't know. Perhaps because there has never been one (there used to be
a Hungarian one in Cluj) and there has not been much demand for one,
either.  First things first ... most Roma don't even finish the 8th
grade. ... or if they do, they don't graduate from high school. 

Besides, do you know of any Roma university anywhere?

Joe Pannon
+ - Re: NATO candidates (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Daniel ) wrote:
: I think it is also interesting to note that the three central european
: states on the "fast-track" for NATO membership are also those which
: historically had consistent ties and relations to the West: Poland
: w/Prussia and France, and the Czech lands and Hungary being part of the
: Austro-Hungarian Empire...

I find it a bit problematic that Hungary does not share a border with any
of the NATO countries. If Hungary finds itself in a military fix with
Ukraine (bear with me) will there be any assurance that Austria, Slovakia
or others will let NATO fly military transports, fighter jets, bombers,
etc, over their turf? Mind you, NATO will do as it pleases, but there will
be this fact on the ground nevertheless.

: Daniel
: -- 
: Daniel A. Cuthbert,
: >, http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~danielac
: Esperanto? ----> http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~danielac/esperanto

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+ - Today s Excepts from Central Europe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

These are the excerpts from Today's Central Europe Online at:

http://www.centraleurope.com

Quote of the day: "If we are radicals, than Sandor Petofi was also a
radical," said Hungarian opposition politician Agnes Maczo, calling the
ruling coalition's accusations of the opposition being radical unjust. The
poet Petofi was a leader of Hungary's unsuccessful 1848 anti-Habsburg
revolution, celebrated as the country's national day on March 15. 

BUDAPEST -- Tens of thousands of protesters chanted anti-government slogans
on Saturday -- Hungary's national day -- as speakers called for a coalition
of the right ahead of next year's elections. more...

BOHUMIN, Czech Republic -- The leading Czech opposition party, the Social
Democrats, re-elected Milos Zeman (pictured) as their leader as expected on
Saturday. more...

Other Headlines

•Austria Support for Hungary EU Entry Solid - Klima 
•Senior Slovak Bishop Warns PM to Respect Citizens 
•Russia Hints at Reprisals if Czechs Join NATO 
•Governor Offers to Take Over Poland's Gdansk 
•Pope Sends Message of Support to Gdansk's Workers 
•Polish Customs Officers Stage Go-Slow over Pay 
•Swiss Bank Compensates Czech Family for Lost Funds 
•Slower Czech Growth Highlights Need for Change 
•Missing Dutch Travelers Found Dead in Poland 
•Soccer: Czech First Division Results and Standings 
•Soccer:Polish First Division Results and Standings 


NEWS ON THE WEB TODAY

Our Web coverage today features a report on yet another attack on Jewish
property in Poland -- this time the target was a Jewish cemetery. 

In Slovakia, President Michal Kovac has set a date for a dual referendum on
NATO membership as well as on the issue of direct presidential elections. 

Other reports include continuing protests on the impending closure of the
Gdansk shipyard in Poland and the appointment of a new chief for the Czech
Republic's secret service. 

Complete list of articles 

TRAVEL

This week's travel story focuses on the Polish village of Leba. A town
unique not because this 13th century Kashubian fishing village, destroyed
in a freak storm in the 1560s, was renovated - but because it has been
completely relocated. The 50-meter-high sand drifts engulfing the town now
form part of the Slowinski National Park, one of Poland's most phenomenal
natural features. more...

Check Travel Past Issues as well! 

Talkback!:If you want freedom of the press then you must accept
pornography, said award-winning Czech-born film director Milos Forman
(pictured). 

Do you agree with his sentiments? CEO gives you a chance to have your say
on his controversial point of view. 

Also, read up on the Forman movie about a pornography publishing king which
is behind the moviemaker's comments - The People vs. Larry Flynt - plus
more on the debate around it including a link to a Forman speech on
questions it has sparked. 

NEW & NOTEWORTHY

Matters of Interest: Concern at the atmosphere of intimidation which
journalists and opposition figures often claim they face in Slovakia has
been heightened by a bomb explosion under the car of an evening newspaper's
editor-in-chief. 

We kick off our CEO Week in Review section with a look at Slovakia's
theater protests, NATO aspirations (or lack of?), human rights, the quest
for direct presidential elections, and the two central figures in them all
- President Michal Kovac (pictured) and Prime Minister Vladimir Meciar.

Check out the results of Central Europe Online's February reader survey!
Congratulations to Scott McQuade, of Bisamberg, Austria, who won a Bohemian
crystal vase in our random drawing. 

In the last of our biographical series on central Europe's leaders, we
offer you the biographies of the Czech Republic's Prime Minister Vaclav
Klaus and the country's world-famous former dissident playwright President,
Vaclav Havel. 

Slovakia is by far the most controversial central European country in terms
of human rights. You can now read CEO's highlighted excerpts from the U.S.
State Department's report on the country's human rights record across 1996.
Our presentations of the reports on Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and
Slovenia are also available. 

Could Kolya, the Czech film which has been dazzling moviegoers for many
months, pick up an Oscar? Film critics who are backing the movie, starring
Zdenek Sverak (left) and Andrej Chalimon (right), were heartened to hear
how it has received an Academy Award nomination for best foreign language
film and now await March 24's awards ceremony to see if the movie can win
the prestigious prize. Read how Kolya has already won a Golden Globe award
and link to full color pictures and background from the hit picture. 

NEWS FROM YUGOSLAVIA

Excerpts for Monday March 17, 1997 
Keep up to date with what is going on in Serbia, Macedonia, Kosovo,
Montenegro and Albania with our daily excerpts from Yugoslavia Today. 

Today's excerpts

LOCAL PRESS 

Read about the profitable business of smuggling illegal immigrants in this
week's Warsaw Voice article. Hungary's parliament launches its own
investigation (pictured) on the Postabank panic, reports The Budapest Sun.
The Prague Post reports on the bankruptcy of giant steel mill Poldi Kladno.
The Slovak Spectator looks at the effects of Slovakia's four financial
giants remaining in state hands. more...

http://www.centraleurope.com
+ - Re: George Soros (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>
>Hi, Agnes, Istvan, everybody,
>don't you think, that most of these arguments are
>overwhelmingly tirening and repetitious? NATO, G.Soros,
>anti-peasantizm (I know Eva won't find it in her [or any]
>dictionary and will be terribly upset), antisemitism, etc.
>Let me comment on two, the second in Hungarian - the pun
>cannot be translated:
>1/.Soros:
>In the February issue of "The Atlantic Monthly", there is an
>article by Mr. George Soros. You all should read it, it is
>quite a telling document, and continue the discussion after.
>2/.NATO:
>'56-ban volt egy vicc. Ugyan nem a NATOrol, de az ENSZ rol:
><< - Mi van az ENSZ lobogojara irva?
>     - "Leben und leben hagyni"  >>
>I think it's just as revelant today as it was then.
>Dominus et pax vobiscum
>
>
>Et cum spiritu tuo

Agnes
+ - Re: the 7 magyar tribes (megkovetlek, Istvan) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Why do not you put it lik this:

The Romans(Vlahs) helped you to find light.
+ - Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szerintem teljesen ignoralni kell ennek a hulyenek a piszkalodasait.  Ha 
senki nem valaszol ra, akkor elobb-utobb meg fogja unni ezt a 
stenkerolast.

Agnes
+ - Re: George Soros Founds Charter Europe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Ines Weber > wrote:

>How very true, thank you so much for saying this.  As a Romanian Jew I
>have had more than plenty of opportuniy to compare how other countries
>treat their minorities.  The very fact that the largest number of Jews
>(outside Russia) in Eastern Europe lives in Hungary today is proof to
>this fact.  Moreover, Hungary had allowed 40,000 Romanian refugees to
>live in their country during the "dark ages of Communism", a favor the
>Romanians would have NEVER returned.  I have been raised by Hungarians
>in Romania (talk about double jeopardy), and I have nothing but
>admiration and praise for all those whom I've encountered.  If you think
>Soros is beaten up for being Jewish, you should see how he is beaten up
>in Romania for being Jewish AND Hungarian...
>> 


Dear Ines,
Thank you for sharing your feelings towards Hungarians with
us. Very few in the successor-states admit to the facts.
Warmly:
D. v.
+ - RI-803i Yeltsin-Interview on NATO and Russia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

20 March 1997


        RI-803i  'Yeltsin-Interview on NATO and Russia'


from Ambassador for Mankind


Message # RI-803i for Internet



Currently, there is a meeting of Russia and the USA
  in the town of Helsinki,
   with President Boris Yeltsin and President Bill Clinton.




Telepathic Interview with Russian President Boris Yeltsin [Jelzin],
 on 20 March 1997, 08:59 GMT,
 ordered by Ambassador for Mankind.

 (see RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997
      http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/ri-771i.htm )


[Auditor:] What are you trying to achieve with the NATO-countries?

[Boris:]
"A collaboration. An exchange.
 And that they stop seeing in Russia an enemy."



[Auditor:] Are you withholding [not telling, keeping back]
             anything from Koos [Ambassador for Mankind] about that?

[Boris:]
"I intend to gain for Russia
 not only
  a greater consolidation inside Russia and
   moral help in that,
 but also
  a follow-up with
   help through other agencies
    for the economical situation in Russia."  LFBD



[Auditor:] What, from the NATO-countries, are you trying to prevent?

[Boris:]
"[I am trying to prevent] that the NATO-countries one day in future
   could form a block against Russia
    and become a threat to Russia."



[Auditor:] Are you withholding anything from Koos about that?

[Boris:]
"I intend to achieve this
  through an exchange and collaboration in know-how, and
  by having treaties [official agreements]
    where we rely on each other and
     are dependent on each other   LFBD
      in the further development of security measures."  LFBD  LFBD



[Auditor:] What are you trying to achieve with the NATO-countries?

[Boris:]
"To have a market-opening
  for [ability to export] security systems and weapons made in Russia
   to the NATO-countries."



[Auditor:] Are you withholding anything from Koos about that?

[Boris:]
"I intend to cut down
  restrictions that are unfavorable for Russia  LFBD
   and
 I intend to push through
  a stronger surveillance of [watching] the NATO-countries
   regarding which countries they deliver weaponry and know-how to."



[Auditor:] What, from the NATO-countries, are you trying to prevent?

[Boris:]
"[I am trying to prevent]
  [that the NATO-countries are] making Russia solely
    a country for the exportation of their know-how."



[Auditor:] Are you withholding anything from Koos about that?

[Boris:]
"We do want to have more know-how,
  but on an exchange basis.

"I intend to prevent any
  one-sided dependency, and thereby domination."  LFBD



[Auditor:] What are you trying to achieve with the NATO-countries?

[Boris:]
"A greater security in the world."  LFBD



[Auditor:] Are you withholding anything from Koos about that?

[Boris:]
"I know that - on both sides -
  there are also economical interest in play,
   and Clinton knows that, too.

"I intend to keep a balance
  between such interests and the true purpose of the NATO,
    guaranteeing collective security."


 LFBD-F/Nind
                 'Boris Yeltsin'

                                      Total session time: 1 hr 48 min

                               Highly specialized Telepathic Auditing
                   at 700 US $ per hour, makes 1,260 US $ total cost.



[The abbreviations LF(Long Fall), LFBD(Long Fall Blow Down)
 and F/N(Floating Needle) describe reactions on the E-meter,
 indicating mental charge (LF, LFBD), and release of charge
 completed (F/N).
 "LFBD-F/N" = truth found out. "ind" = indicated to the person.]

(See RI-610i 'Understanding the E-meter, correctly' of 26 June 96
     RI-648i 'Simplicity of E-meter use, by UNDERSTANDING it' 1 Aug 96
     RI-687i 'Notes on E-meter use and Solo-Auditing' of 4 Sept 96
     RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997)



Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind

Copyright 1997 by Koos Nolst Trenite



Personal Web-page:
  http://ArtOrg.com


Personal Web-Library:
  http://Art-Org.com



References (available at the Library http://Art-Org.com ):

   (with reports about Auditing Boris Yeltsin [Jelzin])

  RI-763i  'Interview: B. Yeltsin on foreign policy' of 26 Dec 96

  RI-776i  'Why Boris Yeltsin fell sick yesterday' of 9 Jan 1997
  RI-729i-A'B. Jelzin after his heart-operation' of 6 Nov 96
  RI-729i  'B. Jelzin during his heart-operation' of 5 Nov 96
  RI-667i  'Helping B. Jelzin (Russia) through Auditing' of 15 Aug 96
  RI-690i  'B. Jelzin's heart-operation - (mentions Dianetics)' of 10 Sept 96


   (about leadership and society)

  RI-705i  'Society Resurgence, Use of Rules' of 9 Oct 1996
  RI-750i  'Crimes are not motivated by money' of 1 Dec 1996

  RI-602i  'Definition of Power' of 20 June 1996

  RI-543i  'Dictators' of 22 July 1994, issued 2 May 1996
  RI-514i  'Confessionals and Blackmail - VERY IMPORTANT' 16 Mar 96

  RI-603i  'Capitalist - Industrialist - Employee' of 21 Oct 95
  RI-267i  'Omitted Data on Waging and Ending Wars' of 13 Sept 95
  RI-071i  'How Hitler trapped the German People' of 22 Jan 95


   (about handling attacks and evil)

  RI-058Ri 'Fair Game Series - Treatment of Enemies' of 1 Jan 95
  RI-646i  'FACING those who are mean or dishonest' of 31 July 1996

  RI-487i  'Dialogue: On Enemies and Hostility' of 20 Feb 1996
  RI-535i  '"An Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" = INSANE' of 10 Apr 1996

  RI-617i  'Controlling Evil Intentions, how' of 28 June 1996
  RI-288i  'The Main Evil Purpose' of 15 Oct 1995


   (about religion)

  RI-379Ri 'Religious Tolerance' of 1 Nov 1995
  RI-738Si 'Christianity - Love, and Guilt solved' shortened 22 Dec 1996


   (about how to handle and look at people)

  RI-629i  'Definition of "Care"' of 12 July 1996
  RI-235i  'Handling people with Understanding' of 14 July 1995


   (about sanity)

  RI-449i  'A Rule For Freedom' of 14 Jan 1996
  RI-714i  'State of Sanity, Definition of' of 24 Oct 1996
  RI-537i  'The Right to Demand Awareness' of 15 Apr 1996


   (about RI-Bulletins)

  RI-380Ri 'Obtaining Truth from the RI-Bulletins' of 1 Nov 1995
  RI-50RQi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - Content and Use' 28 Dec 94
               Revised and Replaced on 6 March 1996

These and other RI-Bulletins can be obtained

    at the Library of Koos' writings on
         http://Art-Org.com

    or (also accessible with WWW-browser) at
         ftp://thetics.europa.com/outgoing/adams/RI
+ - Re: Some little known historical facts (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Gustav Horvath wrote:

:According to Rodney Castledens World History, in 410 AD the  Huns (the 
:forerunners of the Turks and HUN/-/GARIANS) introduced trousers, 

 the word "hungary" has nothing to do with the huns (unless by popular
etymology). it comes from on ogur, an r- turkic tribe that accompanied 
the magyars (uralic, fino-ugric) in their settelment in what is now 
called hungary. as I said before, the on ogurs or other r- turkic 
speaking groups may have formed the main element among the huns (I 
don't deny the possibility of a relationship, and the huns had settled 
in the region previously, just your evidence for the reltaionship)
 notice that the southwestern turkic groups refer to themselves
as oguz with a z, in contrast to the usage of r.
ogur may be a collective of oq meaning arrow, thus on ogur would
mean the ten arrows or ten tribes, each tribe represented by an
arrow. the r- turkic loanwords in hungarian constitute an
important source for our knowledge of the language, as the
only representative today is chuvash, which may have been 
influenced to some extent by the much more extensive z- turkic.
+ - Re: Who is a Magyar, what is a Magyar ? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>
>Erika Kiss wrote:
>> 
>> Ines Weber wrote:
>> >
>> > RT765 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Gustavo baby, tolk to me Austo-Hungarian.( EMPIRE?) - Who ,Where , 
Why?.
>> > >
>> > > I am impressed.
>> > > Is This  a FANCY way to describe the MONGOLS?
>> >
>> > May I advise all my friends on scm NOT to become involved with this
>> > poster of Romanian background who spreads racial, anti-semitic and
>> > otherwise shows his complete illiteracy also on soc. culture 
romanian.
>> > Such people deserve only our contempt.
>> >
>> > Ines
>> > --
>> > ?_ 
>> 
>> I couldn't agree more. Don't let him to provoke any of us! If we leave 
his
>> messages unanswered perhaps he stops sending them. Am I too optimistic 
here?
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Üdv
>> 
>> Erika
>
>
>No, you are perfectly right.  Not answering him will eventually make him
>give this garbage up.
>
>Ines
>-- 
>?_ 
I am saying this for weeks now, but unfortunately, people can't resist 
replying.
Agnes
+ - Re: Igy irnak o"k (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Karinthy konyvenek a cime "Igy irtok Ti"
+ - Re: Dreams (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (U.Gabe) writes:


> >...
> >thanks
> 
> 
> Try to read Krudy Gyula:"Almoskonyv".
> Speaking hungarian, naturally, will help.
> Greetings.
> 
> 

 I think I know that book. But it seems that the book
 is not meant to be read seriously. It includes almost 
 like jokes on some dream interpretations.
 
 Or maybe that's only how I feel about it.


-- 
David "Dave" Litkey
+ - Re: FEL MAGYARS Was: LE HUNS OR LE MONGOLS ? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>Stenkerolast? Mit jelent az? Mikor jottel el otthonrol, en soha nem
>hallottam ezt a kifejezest. Ha viszont ahlenbol megtelazod az
>avazkodast, es a gazsik meg a kanyalok bekamintanak a hederbe, teszik
>veszik megeszik kiteszik, akkor minden teljesen egyenes. ;-)
>> stenkerolast.
>> 
>> Agnes

Bocsanat, 56-ban jottem el, es miutan a masodik nyelvem a nemet, otthon 
nagyon sok nemet kifejezest kevertunk a beszedbe.  Azt hittem hogy 
mindenki megerti.  Piszkalodast jelent.  A multkor a "geil"-l is 
bajbakerultem.  Nekunk otthon minden geil volt, ami tuledes vagy, ahogy 
angolul mondjak, "too rich" volt.  

Agnes

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