In article >, Arthur/Aukje van Vark  > wrote:

>drive to  Varoslod, (region Aika, Veszprem, Papa) near the balaton lake.

Well, Varoslod, being located right in the midst of Bakony mountains,
is quite some distance from Lake Balaton.  Otherwise it's a beautiful
area indeed!

Joe Pannon

Joe Pannon writes:
> Oh really?  I wonder how you explain then the different treatment people
> like your father, profs. Sinor and Ranki got as opposed to profs. like
> K. Simonyi.
What treatment? Simonyi was a full professor, my father was not once invited
to the University of Economics to give a lecture, in spite of being a rather
well known economist. This is not strictly true: the students (dia1kko2r) did
invite him, but the rectors, deans, and provosts of Karl Marx University of
Economics knew quite well he was a "traitor to marxism". In brief, both he and
Simonyi belonged into the "tolerated" category, as opposed to the "supported"
and the "banned" categories, forming the "ta1mogatott/tu3rt/tiltott"
(supported/tolerated/banned) classification so characteristic of the period. 

> >Some did and some didn't. Several emigrated, thereby divesting themselves 
> >from every privilege. 
> How did that emigration happen?  Was it so easy to emigrate from Hungary
> as you make it sound like?  
No, legal emigration was next to impossible, even very late (in the eighties).
What I meant was "disszida1lt" i.e. emigrated without first obtaining
clearance from either the Hungarians or the recipient country. 

> >I think this is false. In the early days of FALI, nearly all people
> >knew each other from back in Hungary: the list was predominantly read
> >by math/computer science graduate students. They didn't have much of a
> >"pre-89" background, on account of age. 
> 
> Sure thing.  Their cozy world was shattered by the quintett of CSEPPSZ
> when the latter started talking back. ;-)
And how! 

> >Joe, you really don't seem to understand. These people gravitated toward
> >math and the hard sciences precisely because it was an objective field, 
> >one where your accomplishments can't be pooh-poohed away by reference to
> >your alleged party connections. To stay in Hungary and advance along 
> >party lines was the exact opposite of the carrier choice they made. 
> 
> And here I was, all along believing that their natural talents were
> manifested in those fields!  I think your reasoning is bogus.  
Have you seen the movie portrait of Andra1s Balczo1, famous Hungarian
pentathlete (o2ttusa1zo1)? He talks quite a bit how he decided on o2ttusa,
because it was objective, not that he was a born pentathlete. 

> I recall
> quite well the make-up of the BME Admission Committee (Felveteli
> Bizottsag) and the kind of questions they asked.  One thing they
> definitely were curious about is my religion and how I was relating to
> it.  Somehow it was obvious to me that they did not rate high my being a
> Catholic.
I bet this was in the sixties. There were even worse things: the medical
school maintained a separate, much tougher, examination committee for students
coming from religious schools. But by the seventies these practices have
largely ended. 

> Exactly that was my point.  The heated debates over Lex Zetenyi served     
> as a catalyst for the split.  It was the last straw, so to speak.
Joe, it is nice of you to have so definite opinions on every matter, but I was
actually there and you were not -- for some reason, people didn't put you on
the mailing list discussing why CSEPPSZ are so wretched and how to deal with
it:-) I still have my correspondance from that period, and believe me, Lex
Ze1te1nyi had nothing to do with it. 

> I would not be so proud of that support [by the constitutional court]
Well us Ka1da1r Jugend felt rather good about it, it being the highest 
court of the land and all. 

> >The larger point, namely that the majority of Hungarian society is not 
> >eager to exact retribution, remains just as valid now as it was at the time.
> Since this was never put to a national referendum, you just don't know
> that for sure.  Besides, most of the propoganda on this issue aimed at
> the public was from the "forgiving" side.
Do you think that every issue must be decided by plebiscete? It seems to me 
that such a complex issue is very hard to cast into a short and clear 
series of yes/no questions, that it is exactly the kind of issue you want 
the legislators to deal with. I know you are among the few who question the
legitimacy of the whole Hungarian system, constitutional court and all, but 
don't you see that the most vengeful retributionists in MIE1P never get 
anything approaching 5% of the vote? It's like recovery of Transylvania: the
vast majority couldn't care less.

> >At the time you thought this was a ploy or some rearguard action of the 
> >Ka1da1r Jugend. How many padded coats need to be elected to convince you 
> >otherwise? 
> I think that vote was more on the pocketbook issue than politics.  When
> economy is bad, even the US voters cast their ballot on that basis
> primarily.  Since then, of course, the Hungarian public has realized
> that they've been fooled again.
I agree the vote was largely a pocketbook issue, but even so it made clear 
that communist past, even rabid communist past, is no "lithmus test" for 
the electorate. Whether they've been fooled I'm not so sure, but election 
is two years away, let's wait with the campaign stuff. 

> >The leading culprits were Istva1n Csurka and Sa1ndor Csoo1ri, both of 
> >them still active politically.
> Csoori an anti-semite, whose wife to my knowledge is Jewish?  That's
> interesting.  
I never saw the point of this counterargument. Jews can be antisemites.  White
supremacists can have a highly developed taste for some brown sugar. Csoo1ri's
private life has nothing to do with it, it's his public opinions that matter. 

> But then, you are known to be cavalier with throwing
> around those labels.  So let's just reiterate something I wrote before
> about this issue:  calling critics of some Jewish (or mostly Jewish)
> groups anti-semites makes about as sense as calling critics of the
> Maffia anti-Italian.  Yet that's what you've been doing.
Joe, please note that it is _you_ bringing up the point not me. Yes, I dislike
the tendency of the ultraright to operate along Hitlerian laws and classify
people like Be1la Kun or Ma1tya1s Ra1kosi as Jews. I'm not criticizing you for
criticizing communists, I'm criticizing you for the view that communists are a
"Jewish (or mostly Jewish)" group. They are not, and they never were. 

> >I don't see much of nazi-hunting fervor in the Hungarian polity. The old
> >nazis like Szendi get off pretty lightly, and so do the new ones like 
> >Albert Szabo1. The same is true world-wide: in the sixties or the 
> >seventies they would have executed Duyvendak (sp?), but in the ninties 
> >they let him go. 
> So what are all these Wiesenthal centers for?  
I don't know, how many are there in Hungary? How much hunting of nazis is
taking place? I'm sure people report the occasional desacration of Jewish
cemeteries, and overt antisemitism, but there isn't that much of that in
Hungary at this point. 

> (That's Damianiuk, BTW, and they did not let him go just out of their
> generosity, but due to lack of (or false) evidence.)
Since when does lack of evidence stop people from killing someone if they
really want vengeance? It seems the people of Israel no longer want vengeance
the same way they wanted it at the time of the Eichmann trial. At least they 
don't want it hard enough to cloud their sense of justice. 

Andra1s Kornai

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>Your method of stating it, Maria, suggests that you may well be a racist
>slanderer; it is similar to the nationalist, chauvinist blather of that
>DUNGarian, Gabor Barfsai who claims, "I know it's a contradiction to be a
>Canadian and be educated." Individuals who slander entire peoples with the
>broad brush of pejorative archtypes, are simply incapable of discoursing in
>a manner that appreciates the nuances and particulars of the mosaic of
>life. The same thread appears to pass through Maria and Gagbore Barfsai.

Yet below...

>                                       and the cigany, don't forget
>                                       the despised subhuman cigany.

Dr. Keeler, or should I write, Dr. Killer, besides being a dumbass, you are
also a slanderer. Solon said "Poets tell many lies." (free translation, ya get
the jist, though.) I guess pseudo poets like you tell only lies. But then
again, you are only a Caca-nadian, and probably have never even heard of Solon.
If you consider ciganys to be subhuman, please tell us why.

And your little ditty about how niether Mr. Kovacs nor I represent the
Hungarian community, well, is very remniscent of the commie era. Like Kadar, or
Rakosi stating that "We should feel no pity for these traitors, they don't
represent the Hungarian community." Then POW, a bullet to the brain or the last
trip to the gallows.
Who are you to decide who represents the "Hungarian community"? Just
like Maria, who decided that Jews cannot feel at home in Hungary? So up yours,
you shitkicker. Yes, you fartknocker, I do represent, happily, the Hungarian
community, just like Mr. Pellionisz or Ms. Balogh or Mr. Pannon or Mr. Kovacs,
or Ms. Bali. You may not agree with what people represent, but that's the 
"mosaic of life", you dip.

Gabor

In article >,  (P
enio Penev) writes:
|> On Mon, 01 Jul 96 14:19:23 GMT Peter Szaszvari ) wrot
e:
|> 
|> For the people of the USA -- the one mentioned in the Declaration of
|> Independence.  The one that created all men equal and endowed them
|> with certain unalienable rights, among them "life," "liberty," and
|> "pursuit of happiness."
|> 
|> For the rest of the world -- who cares?  Everybody is free to go to
|> Russia/China and kill their mother.  As long as they don't show on JFK
|> and LAX, they are free to excercise their definition of good and bad
|> as much as they want.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

Once again for Penio: No law in the U.S., nor the Constitution, nor the
Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independance etc., give right to live of
embryos. This issue has been settled by the Supreme Court which is the
highest institution competent to make this decision. If you do not like
it you can follow your advice and go to Russia/China/Iran. 

Krasen

PS. Penio chete Konstitucijata kakto djavolqt evangelieto. Aman veche.

In article >,  (Ray Fischer) writes:
.....
>>>> Btw, conception is a process that can take up to two days.
>>
>>Yes, human life begins with conception. 
>
>How do you know?
>
Because, before conception, it's hard to imagine.  After conception: when would
 this miraculous transformation take place?
When the embrio splits into two it must already be _living_, otherwise it would
n't be able to split. Wheteher it's human or not: what else than?  What other _
species_ could it belong to?  Cats?  Frogs?  Embryos are a stage of development
 not unlike children or adults.  I don't think that biologists would deny the e
mbryos being human.

Whether they could be considered a person, that's a whole different ballgame.  
Then come your twins rather handy.  But again, determining who is a person, has
 always been lawyering.  Even in the ancient Rome, slaves were considered human
 beings, but not persons.  Under certain circumstances, they could be killed.  
Who is given the status of a person depends on society and changes with the tim
es.

In my opinion, since we do not know enough of what really happens after concept
ion, it is better to remain on the safe side and not kill the embryos.

Zoltan Manyoki

 (Nathan Lipson) wrote:

>Hard to imagine life away from the net, but I'll be on the road for some time.
 
>I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
>the following cities:

>Krakow
>Budapest
>Zagreb
>Ljubjana
There are at least two in Ljubljana (AFAIK). And there are some more
around Slovenia. One of them is in Nova Gorica.

>Split
>Dubrovnik

>There finally is one here in Riga, Latvia:

>The Bimini Nam Nam: 

>Email replies appreciated.


>Nate (Internate)



> =================================================

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> =================================================

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E-mail: 
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Univ. of the Basque Country
Bilbao, Spain

In article >,
    (Steven Faludi) wrote:

>Try this: There is no proof that your name is Robert, therefore to me,
>          your name is not Robert.
>
>Try this: There is no proof that you exist, therefore to me, you are dead.
>
>Try this: There is no proof that you love your mother, therefore you hate 
her.
>
>Try this: Proofs only exist in formalisms.
>
>Try this: Proofs require axioms.
>
>Try this: Many important truths in your own life have no proof.
>
>+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>! Steven Faludi            ! Logic. Love it, or leave it and not !
>!  ! leave it.                           !
>+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+

Speaking about logic. You just ignored it.

From being non existent does not follows being dead. (or: nobody said God was 
dead. We say only that there is no apparent reason to suppose a god.)
If you don't love your mother it does not follow that you hate her.
Two bad misstakes in three statements. What about "leaving" logic, it is just 
too strange field for you.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, T.M.Lutas wrote:

> > Besides, why do you think Russian is not indigenous in the territory of the
 
> > modern Ukrainian state (the same question could be asked about your beloved
 
> > Lithuania or, say, Estonia)? What is the time frame for a language to 
> > become indigenous?
> 
> 
> As time went on, the Normans stopped seeing themselves as colonists and 
> foreigners. Only when the Russians do the same will there be any serious 
> consideration of Russian as an indiginous language in the Ukraine. The same 
> will be true in Moldova.
> 
I strongly doubt that Russians see themselves as colonists and foreigners 
in Eastern Ukraine, Crimea and the part called Novorossia. Ask them, 
there are quite a few of them, who came from these areas, around.
I have no comments on Moldova.

Vlad.

 wrote:

>Here you go, again.

	Indeed. Andras Szucs/company cannot give up an opportunity to attack
me here as well as in their publication, *Nemzet.*  It seems to me
that "Andras Szucs" has nothing better to do with his life but pick on
Eva Balogh. Why is he doing that? Why is Eva Balogh so important in
his eyes that daily attacks must be devised--distorted, stupid attacks
repeated ad inifinitum. Why is he so preoccupied with Eva Balogh?
Surely, a retired history professor who has never been involved in
politics either in Hungary or in emigration cannot be that important.
I have been wondering about the motives and the reasons for these
incessant attacks and I came up with some answers.

	Szucs/Pellionisz/Csorna/Egyed/Whoeveryouare cannot stomach the fact
that a person who was active in the 1956 revolution can be today a
person of "liberal" inclinations. Perhaps, he/they thinks/think that
all people involved in 56 must be a person of right-wing beliefs. But
there are people like me--Arpad Goncz is a good example. And the
far-right, ordinary right, every sort of right hate Arpad Goncz, and I
assume for the same reason they hate me.

>Eva Balogh pretended she knew something about economics
>(how would she dare otherwise suggesting that it is a good
>idea to sell factories of Hungary for $1!?),

	Yeah, it would have been better to sell the Budapest Bank for $1.00
because at the end they sold it for 12 billion forints, while the bank
owed exactly 12 billion forints to the government. So, the bank was
actually sold for nothing.

>Then, she would claim that she was part of 1956,and at the
>same time would have made you believe that "Hungarians don't
>call 1956 SZABADSAGHARC" (Freedomfight; see
>http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html)

	It doesn't matter how often you repeat this piece of nonsense the
truth is that when we talk about 1956 we don't call it
"szabadsagharc." A question which went like: "Hol voltal a
szabadsagharc alatt?" would not even be understood as a question
concerning 1956. And one more thing:
Szucs/Pellionisz/Csorna/Egyed/etc. think that "szabadsagharc" means
"fight for freedom, freedom fight" in English. It doesn't. Look it up
in the Magyar Nyelv Ertelmezo Szotara. It means "war of independence."

>(b) inspite of this "lowest of the low" standing you STILL
>supported his regime since its beginning, 1994, and do so even
>today? True, or not true?

>(Help: please don't mix up SUPPORTING someone and CRITICIZING
>the same.

	I don't support any one party in Hungary either financially or
otherwise. I consider myself a political observer and commentator. I
have a very low opinion of Mr. Horn's past as well as his abilities as
prime minister. I don't like the MSZP as a party and I don't like
their ideas concerning the future of Hungary.

	I was no fan of the idea of a coalition two years ago and I thought
that the SZDSZ made a mistake for agreeing to form a coalition
government. One should have left the MSZP to try to govern with 54
percent of the seats and go through the difficult economic decisions
on their own. Instead of joining the MSZP the SZDSZ should have been
part of the opposition which would have given a real alternative to
the electorate at the next elections. As it stands the opposition is
too weak and is moving more and more to the right, a position which
cannot offer a real alternative to the current government. Among the
opposition parties the FIDESZ and the Neppart are the most sympathetic
but neither of them is strong enough to affect the political scene in
the near future.

	That's briefly my views on current Hungarian politics. Altogether I am
fairly pessimistic concerning the future. The MSZP is not my choice
but the political leadership of the opposition parties are incapable
of responsible political action.

	Eva Balogh

Streit Roland wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am making a study about racism on the world wide web. Currently, I am
> looking for URLs of sites that contain racist web-pages (nazi-sites,
> extreme nationalism etc).
> 
> If you know URLs of that kind it would be very nice if you could e-mail
> directly to me as I can not possibly follow all the newsgroups I posted
> on. You can use one of the following 2 addresses:
> 
> 
> or
> 
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Roland.
> 
> ps: I have posted this article on various soc.culture.* newsgroups. I
> therefore would like to apolopize if you encounter this posting several
> times.

Dear Roland

From the newsgroups you have targeted (I have not sent this message to 
all of them)it would appear that you don't think racism could exist in 
Asia or Africa.  Why the selectivity?

Yours sincerely

Gintis Kaminskas
Canberra, Australia

You know what they say?, "No enemy is small."(Measure your words,sir.),
words
produced by you ,as: "He deserves to be punished.The tribunal has spoken.
So it be
written--so it be done." (Laslo Horvath,Hoover Institution,Stanford 
University.)
You are of the old type(Austro-Germ),If the guys in your University will 
comprehend
your 
strange abilities,they will definitely get read of you.(Or some Slavs 
will help).
I consider you an ANTI SLAV&ANTI JEW.
JUST IN CASE ,YOUR COMMUNITY OF HUNGARIANS RESPONDS
POSITIVELY 
TO YOUR REQUEST,take the following:
Make my Slavic day.(But remember I was not the one who called the JEWS 
and
SLAVS 
rats and subhumans.This was done by the so called ARIAN nations(Germany,
Austria
and definetly Hungary who pretend to be a Germ. nation.-non
comprehandable to me,SINCE THEY ARE MONGOLS)
The Slavs and Jews know their history.(Do you know yours,Mr.?)
For your knowledge:
Remind your Germanic friends what CAESAR said about them(since the 
brotherhood
between you two): 
"The Germanic people are barbarians and terribly stupid.We cannot employ 
them in our
Legions because they do not have the capability to think.This 
inconvenience is created 
partially because these people live in a  climate where they do not 
benefit of the sun's
rays,".

Since I have a long memory Mr.,I should remind you that the Hungarians 
who distroied so 
many innocent lives (during WW2)cannot hide for long under a transparent
curtain.(Pretending that the Germans did it all).

And since you provoked me with your  MARTIAN statement, it is my duty to
ADVANCE you a salute : Be extremely careful(no enemy is small). As the 
English said
once:
"You
live on the old continent for a millennium or so,
but you did not learn anything."
Please try to learn.Help your people.Do not be ignorant.Try to become
EUROPEAN.

Ivan Marinov  > wrote:
>Scott A. Safier wrote:

>> Given Ivan's statement above, I wonder how he explains identical twins?
>> Perhaps it is only one human life shared by two individuals?
>
>No. twins are two lifes.

Well, as you are intensely ignorant, consider the fact that twins are
formed when an embryo splits well AFTER conception.

>> Btw, conception is a process that can take up to two days.
>
>Yes, human life begins with conception. 

How do you know?

-- 
Ray Fischer

In article >,
    (Zoltan_Manyoki_HL_SP_PE_DES) 
wrote:
>In my opinion, since we do not know enough of what really 
happens after conception, it is better to remain on the safe side 
and not kill the embryos.
>
>Zoltan Manyoki

I am sorry, but I can't resist to continue, even when I have 
promised I would not.

Who is we? Who does not know enough about it?
Ask a biologist if he knows it or not.

And furthermore: we cannot kill an embryo because it is not an 
independent being. (HAHAHA)


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Robert Mobbs ) writes:
> 
> 	Try this: "There's no proof for the existence of a god.  Thus,
> there is no reason to assume that he/she/it exists.  To me, there is
> no god."
> 	

Try this: There is no proof that your name is Robert, therefore to me,
          your name is not Robert.

Try this: There is no proof that you exist, therefore to me, you are dead.

Try this: There is no proof that you love your mother, therefore you hate her.

Try this: Proofs only exist in formalisms.

Try this: Proofs require axioms.

Try this: Many important truths in your own life have no proof.

--
+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+
! Steven Faludi            ! Logic. Love it, or leave it and not !
!  ! leave it.                           !
+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+

In article >,
    (Steven Faludi) wrote:
>
>Robert Mobbs ) writes:
>> 
>> 	Try this: "There's no proof for the existence of a god.  Thus,
>> there is no reason to assume that he/she/it exists.  To me, there is
>> no god."
>> 	
>
[...]

Try this: "There's no use of presumption of a god.  Thus,
there is no reason to assume that he/she/it exists.  To me, there is
no god."

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Dear reader:

This post is meant as reply to continuing defamation and attack at my
character by the person (I beleive) named Alex Thurston who is currently
hiding his identity behind 

 and



and possibly at other locations

It was my understanding that experienced usenet users would automatically
recognize a pattern of net-spammer in his posts: non-signing his posts
with real name and crossposting private correspondence to numerous
newsgroups without explicit permission from another party (and using lies
to justify that) never was considered a good netiquette.

 It is not my purpose to disprove all his lies or reply to his labels
here. I would like to warn internet users about this person, who became
notorious on Internet long ago. Description of his activities one can find
in a FAQ of Crankery supported by Mikhail Verbitsky at Harvard University (see
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~verbit/scs/cranks/cranks-FAQ.html)

I will quote just a bit of it:

> Alex Thurston is how the articles coming from
>  are signed. He is one of the most
> prolific writers of soc.culture.ukrainian and he pretends
> to be an Ukrainian nationalist and a devoted disciple of
> Dimitri Vulis.
> 
> Although this guy never gives a clue about his identity,
> the Uke audience doesn't trust his claim of Ukrainness.
> Indeed, Alex has never been concerned by the questions of
> Ukrainian independence, poltics, history or culture. All
> what he does is personal attacks on the xSoviets of the
> mixed heritage, particularly the Jews. (These include
> traditional anti-Semit cliche's such as a word
> "Gescheftmacher" or frequent mentioning of "small
> circumcised penises"). Well, at least one ethnic Russian is
> also a target of alexplore's attack: it is Pete Vorobieff,
> probably one of the best known Russian participants of
> Usenet (famous for his role in stopping the legendary
> megaposter Serdar Argic). Incidentally, Pete isn't active
> in soc.culture.ukrainian; but he is one of the most
> prominent opponents of Dimitri Vulis. 
> 
> Although Alex Thurston explains frequent matches of his and
> Vulis's style and cliche's by the fact that he is a friend
> and a disciple of Dimitri Vulis, it is not surprising that
> the net maintaines that his articles are (often) written by
> Vulis. 
> 
> (Note added in proof: lately Alex Thurston claimed a
> realspace identity by providing his phone and fax numbers;
> I used this chance to question him, and thus discovered
> that he doesn't think I'm a Nazi (his ``Soviet-Nazi'' label
> was only figurative, he said) and doesn't think that my
> controversial statement is anti-Semitic. Much to my
> surprise, he didn't seem to be aware of the discussions
> underway in the x-Soviet groups, and he seemed to dwell
> mostly in the world of his psychotic dreams. Incidentally,
> Mr. Thurston refused to undertake any action before he
> contacts... no, not his lawyer. Dimitri Vulis.) 

I apologise for having to crosspost my reply to so many newsgroups.

Regards,

Mikhail Alexeyev


















































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hogy egy par uzenetet kozvetitsen apamnak mikozben Kanadai latogatasat
probalom megszervezni. Igazan halas lennek a segitsegert.

Elore is sok koszonettel,

Szabo Attila

E-mail: 

In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
> This was done by the so called ARIAN nations(Germany,
>Austria
>and definetly Hungary who pretend to be a Germ. nation.-non
>comprehandable to me,SINCE THEY ARE MONGOLS)
>The Slavs and Jews know their history.(Do you know yours,Mr.?)
>For your knowledge:

Just to settle this bullshit for once and forever:

If you had ever heard about anthropology, you would know by now that oriental 
nations (mongols included) are characterized by the almond shaped eye and the 
high cheekbones. If you did not have your head in your rear end you
would see that Hungarians don't have these. Clear enough or you starve for more
punishment?
Yes we do know our history, and obviously you have no idea. Not even a light 
lilac steam (halva'ny lila go"z).
GK

In article >,
LEVCHENKO Vladimir > wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, T.M.Lutas wrote:
> 
> > > Besides, why do you think Russian is not indigenous in the territory 
> > > of the modern Ukrainian state (the same question could be asked about 
> > > your beloved Lithuania or, say, Estonia)? What is the time frame for 
> > > a language to become indigenous?

> > As time went on, the Normans stopped seeing themselves as colonists and 
> > foreigners. Only when the Russians do the same will there be any serious 
> > consideration of Russian as an indiginous language in the Ukraine. The same
 
> > will be true in Moldova.

> I strongly doubt that Russians see themselves as colonists and foreigners 
> in Eastern Ukraine, Crimea and the part called Novorossia. Ask them, 
> there are quite a few of them, who came from these areas, around.
> I have no comments on Moldova.

They do see themselves as separate. When Russians in Ukraine start worrying 
about Russia encroaching on Ukraine, only then will they really be locals. 
So long as they look east to Moscow for guidance and political alliance they 
cannot be locals.

DB

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Sofiane Benyahia.

This is a terrible insult.I am going to ignore it for obvious reasons.

The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the 
Turks in Istanbul
look European.
It is true I am not an Antropologist.But I heard of Antropology.What else 
I have heard and read I will be delighted to share with you.

It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their 
roots are Mongolic.

From Britannica :(Languages of the world)

"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general 
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western 
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups) 
being strongly European and those of the 
Urals primarily Mongoloid".

From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine 
Emperor,950AD)

"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians)do not obey their own 
particular princes...,They 
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's 
family..."
 

From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):

"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great huns of Attila".