(Antonio Branco Nunes) elloquently wrote:

 (Madalena Vilas Boas) wrote:

>>Daniel Arias > wrote:

>>>Asi que conectate a Internet Visual.... 
>>>la mejor forma de Navegar en tu idioma!!!!

>>Sera' que ha' ai alguem que fale castelhano e que mande um e-mail a
>>este senhor a explicar que em Portugal nao se fala espanhol?

>>Raios! Ate' os hispanicos nos confundem com os espanhois!

>>	Jorge

>Eu digo-lhes:

>Oh marmelon!
>Non vera usted que aqui o je non habla castellano. Hablo portugues.
>Agradecia que o usted hablasse en portugues que nosotros non somos
>obrigados a hablar castellano.
>Muchas gracias carago.


>Branco
>Portugal

Nao ha nada como um "carago" para terminar bem uma frase.
Se calhar era melhor mandar e-mail ao tipo, duvido que ele volte ao
nosso ng para ler a resposta, hem?

Bruce Wayne
Gotham City

Temporarily in this newsgroup before sticking his head into work again

Dear Sir.,

I have to recognize that the Hungarians are good in PUBLIC RELATIONS,they 
found a Russian name just to match mine.Is not that nice.That proves how 
well organized we are (German help?,as usual?).

You are disapproving  HISTORY,not  me.
The statements you made are terribly illogical,you are saying:

"It's not a good idea to:
1) mix linguistic groups with racial groups"
RESPONSE: You must tell this to those at BRITANNICA(tell them that 
according to Hungarian Philosophy the statement is illogical).I did not 
mix it.They did.
Apparently the best method to determine someone's past is linguistics.
In the case of Hungary what indicates a Hunic past is:
NAME: Hungary(Magyars)
HISTORY:Absolutly all chronicles(inclusive Hungarian ones refers to the 
Hungarians as TURKS,MONGOLS,TATARS.

"2) copy articles written many centuries ago written by chroniclers who 
didn't know what they were saying".

RESPONSE: To come up with such a statement you must be out of your mind.
The writers who wrote the chronicles should be ignored,according to you.
Well, that is convenience.The History is not written to fit your 
neeeds(convenience).YOU CANNOT IGNORE THOSE CHRONICLES JUST BECAUSE YOU 
DO NOT LIKE THEM.(Just like Germans did in WW2).
Mr.,wake up,do you know what are you saing?.
Again you are not contradicting me,you are contradicting HISTORY(which is 
a crime)
You are of the Germanic tipe (during WW2) when the Germans automaticly 
were catapulted (historicly) by the NAZIS  as being a superior nation 
(the Greeks and Romans were ignored).
All the chronicles were ignored at this time (you learn fast Mr.) and 
given a new fationable interpretation.
WHO IS BEHIND THIS?,AN aUSTRIAN OR gERMAN?.
WAKE UP AMERICA!.We got a new kid on the block.
THE HUN( from honney ?)

3)"to quote from chauvinistic 19th.western European writers who 
practically claimed that only whites were humans".

RESPONSE: Mr.,you got to be of an illogical tipe.Where did you learn all 
these?.
Go to school Mr. Or put someone else to "tolk" like  FRED HAMORI.
Try a good school like OXFORD.(do not go to the German once any more).
I refuse to "tolk" to you becouse you are not educated enouth(in other 
words you are not a historian).
FRED HAMORI will do.

PS   My Husband is a ROMANI (Moldovian Jew),those the Romanians sometimes 
dislike.If you are interested he can answer many of your questions.

Sir, you are gone with the wind,and you spit against it. Not a smart 
thing to do . Just like RHETT BUTTLER.
Sicne you are a fan of Rhett I am going to be indulgent with you. The 
following article is going to be written to your level of 
comprenhension(which I overestimated at the begining).
Sistematic proof for those uninitated(who were historicly BRAIN WASHED by 
different groups as NAZI,COMMUNISTS,ETC.
Since you have analitic tendencies:

GO TO: ARE THE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Version 3)

Drukkoljatok helyettem is az unokaocsemnek.  Molnar
Gabornak hivjak,70 kg-ban fog sulyemelni, kedden. Nem
tudom, hogy A vagy B csoportban, vagy hogy egyaltalan
inditjak-e, nem-e serult megint. Mar egy honapja kint
van a sulyemelo valogatott Atalantaban.

Voltak eloerzeteim, de mostmar biztos vagyok benne,
hogy hasonloan a multkori olimpiahoz, amit szinten
Svajcbol neztem vegig, nem sok magyar vonatkozasu
dolgot fogok latni, kulonosen nem sulyemelest, amit mult-
kor egyszeruen kihagyott minden NY-Europai ado. Csak az
olomsuly gyoztesenek a fotojat mutattak. Egyszer. A tobbi
sulycsoportban meg ennyit sem. Pedig hat Szulejmanoglu
szunetjel a Eurosporton...

A felvonulas kozvetitesebol egyszeruen kihagytak a magyar
csapatot.  Egy halom altalam soha nem hallott orszag 5-fos
kuldottsegeit mutattak, de a magyar csapat kimaradt. Ghana
utan reklam jott, aztan ugrottak az N beture (Nederlands). 
Csak az boldogit, hogy az olaszok is mexivtak... Ez igy volt
az ZDF-en es az Eurosporton (euro ? hagyjuk) is.

Tamas

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It is President Nelson Mandela's 78'th Birthday on 18 July '96
To make his birthday ultra special, send him a personalised cybercard.

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Maria Egorov wrote:
> 
> ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3

Mogorva Maria megorov:

I hope you'll not be bringing out manu more editions. If you prefer, yes, 
the Hungarians could've had Mongol-Tartar-Turkik origins. I have had a 
couple of uncles in Szabolcs that did resemble Mongols-Tartars-Turks. But 
they could've been a couple of dark skinned Saxons too from the mountains 
of Transylvania. I myself have fairly prominent cheek bones and somebody 
could very well read something "mongolianish" into it.

But the true problem is not with the origins of Hungarians but more with 
your psychosis, your monomania, etc. 

You return to the subject again and again and try to present the issue as 
something that should reflect negatively on Hungarians.

Wouldn't it be a lot more exciting for us to speculate on the origins of 
your neurosis: are you an elderly, bored, curious, etc. woman (at best), 
or a person who has problem with her own "origins" and is engaged in 
"transferance", or a person without "origins", a generic person, 
fascinated by the "colorful" origins and history of the Hungarinas, or a 
person who wishes that lived in Germany in the 10th century as a virgin 
and would've been kidnapped and rapped by the rough and smelly Hungarian 
raiders, or a person (or even earlier times and been violated by the 
great Attila himself?), or a woman who, in more recent history, was 
seduced, raped, and discarded by a descendent of the Mongols, Huns, etc., 
or w woman who unsuccesfully tried herself to seduce a moustachiod, 
hotblooded Magyar but got nothing but scorn --all in all you have a 
grudge against both historical and present day Hungarians?

Any one of those cases above would apply to your hangup? Let's speculate 
and issue further editions of reflections on Maria.

Sincerely, Laszlo
  Szegeny Maria Megorov,
  halalaig morog, morog.

On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Jean Nail wrote:

>   Ever wonder why our society is poluted with so many people filled with
>   hatred and frustration??  Ever wondered why there are so many people

I think the reason is that some people are better, smarter and achieve 
more in life. Or they had a better chance. The rest of the population 
needs to comfort itself and find a scapegot which is to be blamed for 
their own misfortunes. This is where hatred starts from.

A lot of people who share the same hatred and have the same scapegoat 
form a Church. They compile a set of rules ( or they dig them up from 
ancient books like the Bible, for example ) which the prosperous people 
already do not follow and announce that those rules are the word of God.

Now they are happy - *they* are the ones who follow the word of God and 
those nasty succeeding people will go to Hell. Hatred. That's all.

Alex

Dan K. wrote:
> 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Kozly, skol'ko mogno ?
> >
> > Zaymites' chem-nibud' bolee poleznym.
> 
> Shcho to take skazav kozel po moskovske?
> My tut zviriachu movu ne rozumiyemo!
> 
> In any case, if the Russians living in Ukraine do not want to
> learn Ukrainian let them go back to Mother Russia!
> No one will miss them.  And all should remember that the
> Russians were sent to Ukraine to populate Ukraine
> after the Russians murdered millions of Ukrainians
> by the geonocidal famine of 1932.
> 
> Regards, Dan K.

Truth.

Lets assume that you are right (By Hungarian logic),where all the writers 
starting from the ninth century were drunk,or as you said:"chroniclers 
who didn't know what they were saying".
 
OK, lets make abstraction of these impertinent sources.Lets concentrate 
on the HUNGARIAN writers,(or foreigners who represented them).A CHRONICLE 
written by a HUNGARIAN will have the effect of a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.Right 
MR.?

Well, lets see what your BIRTH CERTIFICATE said:

"(HUN-GARIAN) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant, who had two sons, 
HUNOR and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS, and MAGOR was 
the ancestor of  the MAGYARS".(By Emil Lengyel).

Were these HUNGARIAN writers absolutely drunk?.Were they on drugs?.
Apparently NOT.
WHO IS TO BELIEVE ?,YOU(THE MODERN HUN -GARIANS ) OR YOUR FATHERS WHO 
WROTE YOUR HISTORY?.

Wake up Mr.

Alex Yordanov wrote:

> A lot of people who share the same hatred and have the same scapegoat
> form a Church. They compile a set of rules ( or they dig them up from
> ancient books like the Bible, for example ) which the prosperous people
> already do not follow and announce that those rules are the word of 
> God.
> 
> Now they are happy - *they* are the ones who follow the word of God and
> those nasty succeeding people will go to Hell. Hatred. That's all.

Christianity is not hatred. Christians don't hate those persons that will 
go to Hell. The purpose of Christian missionarism and propaganda is to 
tell to these persons to make their choose between good and bad. And 
Christians hope that these poersons will choose good, and this way they 
won't go to Hell.

-- 

---
Ivan Marinov - Maximilian Valenski
---



---
"The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole, 
and separately, in each country, each government, each 
political party, and of course in the UN. I have spent all my 
life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society 
without any objective scale is a terrible one indeed. But a 
society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy
of man either." (A. I. Solzhenitsyn)
---

In article > T. Kocsis, 
writes:
>A felvonulas kozvetitesebol egyszeruen kihagytak a magyar
>csapatot.  Egy halom altalam soha nem hallott orszag 5-fos
>kuldottsegeit mutattak, de a magyar csapat kimaradt.

Tenyleg, lattam foton, hogy kek-zold oltonybe oltoztettek
a csapatot. Ugye nem azt akarja a nemzetellenes media a
tudomasunkra adni, hogy kek-zoldre leszenek verve. :-) :-)

Ugye csak arrol van szo, hogy jo magyar szokas szerint
megszivattak oket, nehogy legyen egy dogos ingyen potya 
oltonyuk (legtobb csapat *nagyon* elegans szerkoban vo-
nult fel), amit kesobb mas alkalomhoz is fel lehet venni...

Tamas

I, too, was watching the proceedings pratically for the sole
reason of seeing the Hungarian athletes march by in the parade
of nations. I,too, was outraged and at the same time profoundly
disappointed when their march was omitted because of that
interview with a member of the Dream Team. I am still stick
just thinking about this. During World Cup Soccer American 
television was "forced" to show matches without commercial
interruption. The least NBC could have done was not stop
for commercials for the parade of the nations. By just
omitting one nation, they have made their whole politically
correct euphoria a mockery . . . Shame on NBC and on whoever
decided that it was okay to cut away from the parade for an
interview that could have been conducted at some other time . . . 

Steven C. Scheer

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 Many thanks go to Andy Vadasz and Peter Soltesz, who compiled much of
the information shown here. This file is being maintained at the
archive <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/HU-broadcast.txt>;. A similar
compendium is also available from the HAL archives
<ftp://mineral.umd.edu/pub/hungary/docs/North_Am_Hun_Language_Broadcasts>
<http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/ftp/docs/North_Am_Hun_Language_Broadcasts>;,
with more related material under <http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/Entertainment/>;.

 The programme by the Radio Petofi is available real-time simulcast via
the Internet (the first such national broadcast according to them):
<http://www.petofi.enet.hu/reala.html>; (note that this adress is at
'enet.hu', signifying E-NET, which is distinct from 'eunet.hu' where
some other resources are to be found). That page has all the
information needed to get the sofware handling the 'realaudio' format,
or one can go straight to the source at <http://www.realaudio.com>;.

 Realaudio format recorded broadcast segments for some HungarianRadio
programmes are available thru <http://www.wrn.org/stations/hungary.html>;. 
The homepage for Radio Budapest (the external service of Hungarian
Radio) is at <http://www.eunet.hu/radio/>; - they have a lot of textual
information, including schedules and frequency tables for worldwide
broadcast.

 Computer-readable Hungarian language broadcast material from the Voice
of America is found under <http://www.voa.gov/programs/audio/>;; they
have other computer audio file formats for download beside realaudio as
well.

 Here is a listing of Hungarian language broadcasts (as of 28 May
1996), collected by Peter Soltesz <mailto:>.
Note that the Hungarian language broadcast of the Radio Free Europe
(which was shown in the original version I posted) has been
discontinued sometime in '95! Also, the Voice of America beam is
transmitted from outside America and can't be received there (despite
the earlier listing showing them with their nominal Washington, D.C.
location). However their Web server makes computer-readable recordings
available, as shown in the paragraph above.  I dropped the VOA entries
from here - for the full schedules see
<gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/hungarian-pgms> and for all the
frequencies <gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/langs-and-freqs>
(these files can be accessed thru <http://www.voa.gov>; as well as from
<ftp://ftp.voa.gov/>).

<<< Text version of database file follows: >>>
  ID, Type, FREQ, City, ST, PROG, DAY, Time, Address, Tel, Fax 
 KTYM , AM ,, INGLEWOOD , CA ,1,,,,,
 WVOF , FM ,, FAIRFIELD , CT ,2,,,,,
 WNDU , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
 WSBT , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
 WRSU , FM ,, NEW BRUNSWICK , NJ ,1,,,,,
 WCSB , FM ,, CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,
 WKTX , AM ,, CORTLAND , OH ,12,,,,,
 WKTL , FM ,, STRUTHERS , OH ,1,,,,,
 WELW , AM ,, WILLOUGHBY-EASTLAKE , OH ,1,,,,,
 WIBF , FM ,, JENKINTOWN , PA ,1,,,,,
 WMZK , AM , 680 , DETROIT , MI ,1, FRI , 2100-2200 ,,,
 WNYE , TV , 25 , NEW YORK , NY ,0.5, SAT , 1500-1530 ,,,
 TCI , CABLE ,, WESTCHESTER County , NY ,,,,,,
      , AM , 1380 , NEW YORK , NY ,1, SUN , 1200-1300 ,,,
 WQRP , FM ,, DAYTON , OH ,3, SUN , 0900-1200 ,,,
 WNVC , TV , 56 , FALLS CHURCH , VA ,0.5, SAT , 0800-0830 ,, 1-703-698-9682 ,
 CKJS , AM , 810 , WINNIPEG, MANITOBA , CN ,0.5, SAT , 2000-2030 ,, 1-204-477-1
221 ,
      , FM , 105.9 , NEW YORK , NY ,2, SUN , 1200-1400 ,,,
      , SW , 25 m ,, PA ,0.25, TH , 1645-1700 ,,,
 TELSTAR , SAT , 22 ,, NA ,,,,,,
 GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, M-F , 1930-200 ,,,
 GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, SAT , 1730-1800 ,,,
 ASC-1 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0,,,,,
 VATICANA , SW ,,, IT ,0,,,,,
 CBN , SAT ,,, NA ,0,,,,,
 CBC , SW ,, TORONTO , CD ,,,,,,
 BBC , SW ,, LONDON , UK ,,,,,,
     , SW , 3250 , BIRMINGHAM , AL ,1, D , 0700-0755 ,,,
          ,, 830 , CLEVELAND , OH ,,,,,,
 MAGYAR RA. , SW , VARIES , BUDAPEST , HU ,0, D ,,,,
 BUDAPEST , SW , VARIES , BUDAPEST , HU ,0, D ,,,,
 DEUTSCHE W , SW ,,, GE ,0,,,,,
 WCPN , FM , 90.3 , CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,

<<< end of database listing >>>

 Andy Vadasz <mailto:> posted the following:
+In a May 14 message, I reported (in part):
+
+> their current 9870 kHz will change to 9840 kHz starting May.21. Not clear
+>whether the change is for the entire 3 hour transmission (including
+>Hungarian and English language programs). 
+
+More recently the new arrangement has been posted on the "Radio Budapest"
+webpage: http://www.eunet.hu/radio/   To summarize. the North America beam
+is broadcast on 9840 and 11870 kHz with the following breakdown
+
+Starting time (UTC)     Language    Beam orientation
+00:00                   Hungarian    N.America East
+01:00                   English      N.America East
+01:30                   Hungarian    N.America West
+02:30                   English      N.America West
+
+In my area (Northern Virginia) the first two segments have been fair to good
+on 9840 kHz.

- --
 Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
*SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
*with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
*excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!

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E.G.Engelbrecht wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> I don't condone the attack on US miltary personnel in Saudi Arabia, but
> I have to wonder how the US government can label such an act as terrorism.
> This was a military base which was attacked.  I think the Americans might
> want to ask themselves how their military was so incompetent it allowed
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
What's being aired here in the states points to this being "political" rather 
than military incompetency. The request for expanded security for the base 
(before the explosion) was handled through the normal channels and the host 
government (in this case, Saudi Arabia) declined the request to create a much 
wider buffer zone to keep traffic away from the compound. Installation 
security is apparently often handled by the host government and there were 
multiple nationalities resident on this compound including French and UK. The 
Saudi's (before the attack) apparently felt it would send the "wrong signal" 
to their allies and citizens of their country to acommodate the request. I 
believe they have agreed to widen the exclusion zone around the compound now.

In article >,  says...
>
>"E.G.Engelbrecht" > wrote:
>
>>I don't condone the attack on US miltary personnel in Saudi Arabia, but
>>I have to wonder how the US government can label such an act as terrorism.
>>This was a military base which was attacked.  I think the Americans might
>>want to ask themselves how their military was so incompetent it allowed
>>this attack to take place especially after they received warnings months
>>in advance that this sort of thing would happen.
>
>>If innocent American civilians were killed then I would agree with the
>>terrorist 
>>label.  But an attack on a military target is a legitimate act of war and not
>>terrorism.

I have serious problem of understanding the logic of previous lines. This kind 
of mind set feeds these and other kinds of terrorist acts. Every reasonable 
person should understand and act in a way that there is no "good " terrorism , 
today or tomorrow everybody will suffer and most importantly human rights 
should be for humans not for any kind of terrorists.

Regards 

yigit kavurmacioglu

>
>There's a fair degree of manipulation going on here, isn't there? The
>Nice Guy image is slightly overwhelming sometimes. I have a strong
>suspicion that the last words you'd hear if being shot by an American
>firing squad would be "Have a nice day!"
>
>Měcheil Rob MacPhŕdruig
>Drůisire:duine-uamhal
>

In article > Laszlo Balogh,
 writes:
>Let me assure you all, from now on...  it is PEPSI for me.

What should I do ? I drink neither Coca C. nor Pepsi C.  ;-)

Tamas

In article >,  says...
>
>In article > Laszlo Balogh,
 writes:
>>Let me assure you all, from now on...  it is PEPSI for me.
>
>What should I do ? I drink neither Coca C. nor Pepsi C.  ;-)
>
>Tamas

Same here . . . I think we ought to organize some sort of
e-mail campaign "against" NBC Sports, letting them know
in no uncertain terms that by callously cutting certain
of the nations out of the Parade of Nations they have betrayed
the very spirit of the games they were trying to project and
to promote. By cutting some, they have in effect undermined
the integrity of the whole . . . 

Steven C. Scheer

"E.G.Engelbrecht" > wrote:

>I don't condone the attack on US miltary personnel in Saudi Arabia, but
>I have to wonder how the US government can label such an act as terrorism.
>This was a military base which was attacked.  I think the Americans might
>want to ask themselves how their military was so incompetent it allowed
>this attack to take place especially after they received warnings months
>in advance that this sort of thing would happen.

>If innocent American civilians were killed then I would agree with the
>terrorist 
>label.  But an attack on a military target is a legitimate act of war and not
>terrorism.

There's a fair degree of manipulation going on here, isn't there? The
Nice Guy image is slightly overwhelming sometimes. I have a strong
suspicion that the last words you'd hear if being shot by an American
firing squad would be "Have a nice day!"

Měcheil Rob MacPhŕdruig
Drůisire:duine-uamhal

SUBJECT:  Drink PEPSI

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I was too, deeply disappointed.

Especially in view of the fact, that Hungary has one of the deepest and 
richest olympic traditions, ever since the modern games started.

...And let me tell you, it has happened several times already in the past 
couple of games and international events, watched from the US.

I refuse to believe it is intentional, never the less, it is most 
annoying.
I personally, couldn't care less about this hyper of the Dream Team 
anyway.

Let me assure you all, from now on...  it is PEPSI for me.

Dr. Laszlo

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Subject : Criminal Soviet Internet Threats, Visas, Laws and Everything

Original Topic Was: !DAN KOROLYSHYN & GEORGE RYCAR ADOPTED!

This began by Mr. George Rycar responding to an insult by Mr. Max Pyziur.
Then Mr. Vladimir Levchenko from Australia jumped in and announced:


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On 17 Jul 1996, GRycar wrote:

> Max Pizdur;
>                As usual your eloquence has no equal and your stupidity is
> only exceeded by your duplicity. More simlpy stated, you are a moron of no
> good and little talent who is destructive because you are incompetent.
> Hint, your lack of ethics and direspect for the truth is contributory to
> your stupidity.
> 
>               See Pizdur invective is not difficult to master but then I
> am not prevaricating when I question your critical acumen. It is lacking,
> try again.
> 
> 
>                                              George

That's enough, George. You lousy bastard have gone too far. First you 
moron are claiming no knowledge and comprehension of Russian, but then you 
are fiddling with Max Pyziur name with a clear aim to insult him, his 
parents and all his family, thus showing quite a good though prevaricated 
command of Russian. 
I openly notify you that during my next visit to US East coast which is 
scheduled somewhere in Spring (your Autumn, moron), I'll come in person 
to kick a shit out of you, arshole, if somebody else and Max himself not 
do it before me. I allocated time for this and put you on the waiting list.
You better go hiding NOW, you shithead bastard, if you don't want to get a 
good lesson of a decent net behaviour.

VL

> ====================================================


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On 18 Jul 1996, GRycar wrote:

> Levchenko;
>               How noble of you to come to the defense of Pizdure. By the
> way, I do not speak Russian meathead, I do know Ukrainian and the noble
> Pizdur was most eloquent in his invectives to me in Ukrainian so as to be
> incomprenesible while concomitantly complaining that I was harrasing him.
> 
>               I trust that it is not my post to Pizdur that upset you but
> the truth and exposure of the truth about your background that you find
> most uncomfortable. Needless to say you are no longer in that quagmire of
> evil incompetence and stupidity that gave you life and as such you cannot
> threaten peolple with bodily harm because they upset you.
> 
>                Needless to say, I wiil make a complaint about your threats
> to me and will inform the American consulate in Australia about your
> assualt on an American citizen with intent to do me bodily harm. I wiil
> meet with my attorney relative to this matter early next week and decide
> on a course of action to take against you.
> 
> 
>                                           George
> 
> 
I will not discuss your interrelations with Max, George.
All that I've seem was you rudely verbally insulting him by fiddling with 
his family name. I do not concern about the body of the message. 
That sort of insults, especially done in public, can't be just forgiven.

As to your threats, I want to say that you're a mere coward, George, a 
chicken, if you can insult a person but scared to meet him in person.
Now I see you pretty well. 
I have to reconsider now, George, having this new knowledge of your true 
nature, whether it is too great honour for you of me spending my time on 
a person like that.
Mind George, I'm not arguing about your political position and respect 
you having it. It is your personal behaviour that needs correction.

As to your legal threats, mind, that verbal abuse and insult is also a 
subject for legal persecution. And there are a lot of people in this and 
adjacent newsgroups who can back up this claim.

And by the way, if kicking the shit out of you, you consider a bodily 
harm, what do you consider your body is made from?

Vlad.

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From:  (GRycar)
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Subject: Re: !DAN KOROLYSHYN & GEORGE RYCAR ADOPTED!
Date: 19 Jul 1996 21:08:08 -0400
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Levchenko;
               Your eloquence overwhelms me, however you are a fool. To
threaten an American is stupid because it is most disadvantageous both
legaly and physicaly. Neddless to say you have told me everything about
yourself and where you came from.

                 Your childish conception of valor is sad and naive. But
then you were a beneficiary of a Soviet education and upbringing. Needless
to say, your consistent threats against me are disturbing and will be
adressed shortly. 
  
                 You will hear from me, however not via the internet.

                                          George

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From: "Dan K." >
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Subject: Re: !DAN KOROLYSHYN & GEORGE RYCAR ADOPTED!
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Alexander Luchin wrote:

> George, you called be different names, including assliker, muredrer etc. I
> think I also have to take legal actions against you. BTW, some of your
> offences could be qualified as slender, and as you probably know slender
> has legal consequences.
> George, don't make your attorney laugh.
>                                       Alex.

Mr. Luchin,

I believe that there is a very big difference between calling someone 
a "name" or using profanity on the one hand and declaring that one will 
go and do one bodily harm on the other.  I do not believe that Mr. Rycar 
has ever threatened to harm Mr. Levchenko, moreover, the initial verbal 
attack was made by Mr. Pyziur on Mr. Rycar and myself and did not involve 
Mr. Levchenko at all.  Why he chose to lash out and threaten Mr. Rycar
is a mystery to me.

Regards, Dan K.

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From:  (GRycar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian
Subject: Re: !DAN KOROLYSHYN & GEORGE RYCAR ADOPTED!
Date: 19 Jul 1996 21:02:07 -0400
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Alex Luchin;
                I referd to you as an Ass with substance and explanation.
I used other exemplatives with the same substantiation. I never physicaly
threatened you or anyone of my interlocutors and never will. This is
odious behavior common among  former Soviets and  thugs. 

                Needless to say, there is a vast difference between using
exemplatives as a shock to bring an issue across and the use of threats of
physical violence in order to silence someone from further exposing a
sordid past as in the case of Levchenko.

               My lawyer is not amused and I do have the resources to
pursue this issue. Presently I feel obliged to do so in order to prevent
any such futher attacks on people who may not be able to defend themselves
from delinquant elements such as Levchenko and perhaps prevent this moron
Levchenko from inflicting substantial harm upon himself.  Americans are
more often than not armed.

                                                 George

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Mr. Rycar, is a successful businessman, among his many interests and hobbies
are, ancient Greek philosophy, Ukrainian history, the combat arts and weaponry.
 
Mr. Vladimir Levchenko, does not realize that, unlike conditions in Moscow and
throughout the Ex-Soviet Union, where reports are not uncommon of criminals 
lay in wait, with knives in their hands, for Western businessmen and others
to walk by.....knowing that local authorities are, unless sufficiently bribed
to do otherwise, rather indifferent to this type of behavior.
This course of activity is frowned upon, and indeed regarded as 
criminal assault in  Western countries.

Mr. Rycar has shown a tempered and admirable restraint in addressing the issue,
choosing to instead use legal means in restraining Mr. Levchenko
from acting in a violently dangerous manner towards himself and others.

Mr. Rycar is in New York City.
Mr. Levchenko is in Australia, having acquired or is in the process of acquirin
g  a 
visa to enter the United States to pursue his publicly stated goals.
Mr. Levchenko, an Ex-Soviet, self-claimed, Russian “patriot”, used the Internet
 to publicly 
post his intentions towards Mr. Rycar as well as to announce that he has a, “wa
iting list”
for others.

This could be a precedent setter, for Australian and US law as well as the enti
re Internet,
at least in Western countries.
What will be the result of this sort of behavior on the Internet if any?