In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>|Wally claims both, you claim to be a poet.
>
>We do. We are.

But Wally, you are as close to being a poet as a Neanderthal being an
astronomer. Of course you like Mark Cristian, since he's also a man(?) of
obviously limited intelligence, like yourself.
Like your little Lamborghini remark...I'm glad you're getting that lobotomy, 
I'll even provide the hammer and nails for free to you.

Gabor

Hi!

This message is addressed primarily to business-people, or to those who =

have some business experience, but You are welcome to reply even if You =

are not one.  If You know anybody who You think could answer the =

questions below, please forward this message to that person. =


I=92m an International Business student at Oregon State University, OR, =

USA.  I=92m conducting a research for my Organizational Behavior class, in =

which I should describe how culture of a country influences the ways =

business is conducted in that country; and come up with the practical =

advice for American businessmen who are going to work there.  I=92ve =

chosen Hungary because it=92s a former socialist country which started =

economic reforms as early as 1968 (and I=92m from Kazakhstan which became =

independent 5 years ago and is now experiencing changes that Hungary =

might have passed long ago), and it would be interesting to learn how =

similar or different it is comparing to other European countries or US. =

 There are few books about business in Hungary, and many of them are =

old, so I decided to get information directly from You, and I hope You =

will help : )

The  questionnaire is quite big, sorry.  Please answer as many questions =

as You can (want).  If You don=92t want to write your opinion, simple =

Yes/No will be welcome too.  Please send the reply even if You answered =

only several questions.


What is your name?

Age?

Gender?

Where do You live?

What is Your occupation?

Do You have any business experience?  What kind of?

In Your opinion, =


1. What is the attitude Hungarians take toward the environment?
	a) people are subjugated to it (cannot change or control it)
	b) in harmony with it
	c) dominate it

2. Does Hungarian culture focus on the:
	a) past (value traditions)
	b) present (short-term goals)
	c) future (long-term goals) ?

3. Which of the following best describes Hungarian's beliefs toward =

human nature?
	a) generally evil (watch out)
	b) generally good (trust)
	c) mix of the two ?

4. Which of the following best describes Hungarian's activity =

orientation?
	a) action (doing, accomplishments)
	b) being (living the moment, immediate gratification of desires)
	c) controlling (restraining desires) ?

 5. Which of the following best describes the focus of responsibility in =

Hungary?
	a) emphasis on individualism
	b) group harmony, unity and loyalty
	c) hierarchy (aristocratic)
 =

6. In Hungary, what is the relationship to space in business conduct?
	a) public (no walls separating you from colleagues)
b) private (value security and confidentiality of your own office)
	c) mix (limited privacy)

 7. Which of the following best describes the distribution of power in =

Hungarian business?
	a) high--wide differences in power;   title, rank and status are =

important
	b) low--inequalities are minimized, superiors have authority, =

but employees =

are not in awe of the boss

8. Which of the following best describes the attitudes of Hungarian =

people in general and businessmen in particular when dealing with =

uncertainty?  In other words, is the uncertainty avoidance best =

described as:
	a) low--comfortable with risks;  tolerant of different behavior =

and opinions
	b) high--more stress, more formal rules, less tolerant for =

different ideas and
behavior ?

 9. Which of the following factors is considered most important?
	a) assertiveness, acquisition of money and material things, =

little caring for others
	b) relationships, concern for others, and the overall quality of =

life; preserving the  environment ?

10.  What is the common form of business communication in Hungary?
	a) formal (business meetings, appointments, etc.) =

	b) informal (business lunches, recreational activities with =

colleagues, etc.)
	c) both (which prevails?)

11.  How is an average business meeting conducted? Is it
a) mixed with socializing?  =

b) a matter of going through the agenda and getting back to work?

12. What is typical meeting behavior like? (i.e. a)formal, b)informal, =

c)varies greatly)

13. Do You like dealing with America/Americans?

14. How do You view American business people in general?

15. What do You think of your American counterparts, if You have any?

16. What amazes You most when it comes to how American managers handle =

their employee relations, both in and out of the office?

17. What do You dislike most about American way of doing business and =

business-people? (my personal feelings=97some are like predators, no =

sincerity in smiles, friendship ends as soon as business ends) =


18. Within Hungary, are American managers viewed as a help or a threat =

to the sovereignty of a company's inner customs and business practices? =

 If even a threat, do the American managers benefit the company in other =

ways, or should native managers retain control during the process of =

privatization?

19. What one thing could Hungarian businessmen teach American =

businessmen to help their businesses run smoother?

20. What is Your opinion on the privatization of government businesses?

21. Is there a difference between the culture in privatized companies =

versus government owned companies?

22. What roles have changed, if any, with the business sector (i.e. =

gender, age, etc.)?

23. In a country that is changing so much, what would You like to see =

remain unchanged, as far as the business, social, and political world =

go?

24. Are there any Soviet/socialist remnants in the way business is =

conducted?  If yes, what?

25. How have You or business in general adapted to the changes in the =

political and business climate in Hungary over the recent years?

26. How is the Hungarian corporate system structured?  Is it =

hierarchical like the U.S.?

27. How bureaucratic are Hungarian organizations?

28. How important are titles in Hungarian business?  How do Hungarian =

people address each other both at work and outside of work (e.g. in the =

U.S. addressing by first name is common)?

29.  What qualities of the job do You value most (please rank from 1 to =

6, 1=97highest)
	a) good supervisor
	b) interesting job
	c) high salary
	d) career opportunities
	e) good co-workers
	f) your suggestions

30. How much is promptness valued?

31. What are the traditional ways of outside socializing for =

business-people?

32. In what business situation if any might a gift be appropriate?  What =

type of gift may be given?

33. Are dress-codes common in business and if so what type of dress is =

most common?

34.  Please give examples of Hungarian customs/traditions that would be =

interesting and useful to know for foreigners (particularly Americans).

35. Please list things Hungarians are most proud of or famous for =

(personally, I like Tokaj very much : ).

36.  What Hungarian people like to talk about, generally ?
a)  famous people
b)  politics
c)  weather
d)  wines, food
e)  fashion
f)  music
g)  literature
h)  philosophy
i)  your suggestions =


37.  What do Hungarians most care about?

38. What qualities should a person have if he/she wants to conduct =

successful business in Hungary?  What a foreigner should do to guarantee =

success of his/her business in Hungary? =


39. How important is the government's role in business environment in =

Hungary?

40. In what ways do You think the Hungarian government has benefited =

and/or hurt the business environment in Hungary?

41. What government policies do You dislike the most?  Like the best?

42. Are You familiar with any (recent) legislative acts that =

affect business, particularly:
-laws concerning monopolies;
-antitrust legislation;
-laws about the rights of private intellectual property;
-patent laws;
-tax regulations;
-international trade and currency exchange regulations;
-employment regulations (union, social security regulations)?

43. How strict are government agencies in enforcing the regulations?

44. What are major barriers in conducting business in Hungary?

45. Is corruption a problem?  What kind of "facilitating payments" are =

appropriate?

46. Are there any organized crime problems affecting business?  If yes, =

how serious?

47. What are the busiest times of the year in Hungary?  How do holidays =

affect business?

48. Would You like to add anything ? =


 =

Again, I will be glad to receive any answers, but please make sure you =

put the number of the question with the answer. =


Thank You  very much for your patience and cooperation!

I am looking to purchase and/or trade submarine qualifications. I don't
subscribe to this newsgroup, so please email me at

Thanks!

> Megy a gozos, megy a gozos Kanizsara,
> Kanizsai, kanizsai allomasra,
> Elol ul a masiniszta,
> Kia gozost, ki a gozost igazitja.
En ezt igy tanultam az oviban annak idejen:

Megy a gozos, megy a gozos Kanizsara,
Kanizsai, kanizsai allomasra,
Elol ul a masiniszta,
Hatul meg a krumpli feju palacsinta.

bocs,
kaos

In article >,
Scott Sumner > wrote:
>I am looking to purchase and/or trade submarine qualifications. I don't
>subscribe to this newsgroup, so please email me at

>Thanks!

It's kind of funny to read this in a newsgroup where the country of origin just
recently (1921) ran out of seawater. But then again, who knows? A story comes
to mind, sorry if it was already posted here:
The Ambassador of the Soviet Union in Switzerland starts laughing upon 
learning that Switzerland has a Department of Navy, because they have no sea. 
One of his Swiss collegues asks: What's the big deal, you have a Department of 
Justice in the SU, don't you?

Hello

Are there people who knows how to write the word "water" in another
language, than Dutch, French, Deutsch, Italian or Spanish. If so please
mail it to me, add also what language it is. If possible, don't post it
back here, but mail it, otherwise I have to check all soc.culture.xxx.

Thanks

email : 

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In article >, Olteanu' > wrote:
>>tristan tzara was no "ms". tristan tzara was a man.
>Yeah! But the  "poet" doesn't like him to have been a man. Therefor, "the
>poet" uses his poetic rights to name whoever HE wants, whatever HE wants.

Yeah, ha-ha! Can you imagine "the poet's" son coming home to find mommy turned 
into daddy?
"Are you mommy today, daddy? Are you finally going to tell me the good news 
that I'm not your biological son?" I think even Rupaul would envy Wally.

Gabor

Hi!
Can anyone advise me please? I am planning to take a holiday in Hungary
in summer, I have wanted to do this for many years. I am a vegetarian, my
question is, are vegetarians catered for in Hungary in restaurants, bars
hotels, etc? I am not sure whether vegetarianism is popular in Hungary.

Many thanks to anyone who can respond with an email!
Chris Olsen )

Operation: "Fair is Fair"
			------------------------

What is it:
-----------
A petition to be presented to:

  - President of the United Sates Bill Clinton & Vice President Al Gore
  - All House Representatives
  - All Senate members
  - United Nations Security Council members.


Summary:
--------
This is in regards to Israel's acts of aggression, terrorism and killing
of Innocent Civilians in Southern Lebanon and in other places.


How to Join:
------------
Send email to , as follows:

 To: 
 Subject: <leave blank>
 Body: email address, Real Name, State of Residence, Country of Origin (opt.)


Deadline:
---------
May 30, 1996


Below, is the text of the Petition- Sam.
> ----------------------------------------


Dear Mr. President,
Dear Mr. Vice President,
Representatives of the House,
Members of the Senate,
United Nations Security Council,


This petition is to demand that you formally request and pressure
Israel into making a full public apology  to Lebanon and all its
family members. And to withhold all aid to Israel until Israel stops
its insane massacres and invasions propagated over the years to gain
control over Arab water rights.

No PEACE will ever come when one country oppresses another and if
you truly want PEACE, as you publicly acknowledge you do, you must
stop blindly and completely supporting Israel and its terroristic
acts against all Arab nations, especially the Lebanese and Palestinian
peoples, who have suffered so much for so long at the hand of theses
tyrants.

If Israeli soldiers had not crossed Lebanon's border to steal Lebanese
water, no soldiers, no people would have been hurt. Acts of war cause
death! But innocent women and children trying to survive do not cause
war.

So you must act! Israel must be STOPPED, so PEACE can reign and
children can once again be allowed to live!

-------------
Signed,

Sziasztok,

Ki tudja honnan szarmazik ez a nev? --> Zsolt

Es ki volt az elsoe viseloeje?

Oeruelnek minden informacionak evell a nevel kapcsolatban.

e-mail:

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:
>Szeretett hazank senkire nem tart igenyt. Elmultak azok az idok, amikor
>ez a szemlelet mukodott, amikor a rendszer gondoskodott (igaz: ugy-ahogy)
>mindenkirol. Ha nem vetted volna eszre '89 ota a regi jatekszabaly van me-
>gint eletben: "segits magadon es az isten is megsegit".  Es ez igy van
>jol.

Sosem vartam, hogy gondoskodjanak rolam, remelem itt nem rolam van szo. Nem 
hiszem, hogy a munkaert ber fizetese gondoskodas volna. Vagy maskepp nezve, 
miert gondoskodik Svajc legalabb tizszer jobban rolam mint Mo.?
(Az ajanlott modszert probaltam de az "isten" valahogy mindig lemaradt nehany 
taktussal:)

>Te a felveteli elott nem tudtad, hogy  a fizikusi/pedagogusi szakma nem
>egy aranybanya ?

Egyaltalan nem foglalkoztam evvel a kerdessel.

>
>Ha ilyen anyagias (penzehes) vagy, akkor minek valasztottad ezt a szak-
>mat ? Igy tenyleg egy folytonos frusztracio lehet az eleted...

Nem errol van igazan szo. Az en fizetesem nem erdekes, nem is volt az. 
Egyszeruen nem tartom jo politikanak hosszabb tavon ha egy orszagnak "nem 
telik" oktatasra. Mondhatnank ugy is, a hazafias indulat haborog bennem.
Persze szavaim hitelebol sokat levon szemelyes erdekeltsegem az ugyben.

Szerintem nagy kulombseg van penzehseg es akozott, hogy az embernek minden ho 
20-an kolcson kell kerni, hogy kihuzza hovegeig. Ez a mestersegesen generalt 
"penzehseg" ugyancsk nem tesz nagyon jot az oktatas minosegenek, de ez egy 
agyoncsepelt trivialitas.

Utolso latogatasaimkor a kollegak mar arrol beszeltek, hogy a kretat is 
zsebbol kell kigazdalkodni, olyan aprosagokrol nem is szolva, hogy az egyetem 
telen neha bezar, hogy ne kelljen futeni.

Nem rolam van tehat szo, szeretnem hangsulyozni, hanem inkabb arrol a 
"csodarol", hogy Magyarorszagrol az emberek elaramlanak. Van a kerdesnek egy 
"Nemzeti" megoldasa, amin jokat szoktam derulni. Ujra es ujra megjelennek 
beszedek, szepivu felhivasok, miszerint "hivjuk haza" tevedesbol kulfoldon 
dolgozo (keruljuk az ertelmiseg szot) szellemi dolgozoinkat/tokenket.
Nosza hivjuk! Gyertek, gyertek, kilikilikili...

Persze mondhatod, hogy oktatokra ugy ahogy vannak "nincs szukseg" de engedd 
meg, hogy ne ertsek egyet...

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Can anyone send me the list of trains going from BUDAPEST to KOLOSZVAR
(Cluj) and include their time table/schedual of departures and
arrivals.
Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

Mark

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Carmine Colacino wrote:

> Christopher. Armstrong wrote:
> 
> >      Oh what a MAN you are!!! What amazing, perfect, specimens of manhood
> > ALL of you Italians are!!! Do you know, the rest of the world just lives
> > in a constant state of profound jealousy, considering JUST how wonderful
> > you and your friends must be!
> >    OR,,,  Fotiti, cazzo! - as I believe you dashing Romeos say. Whichever
> > you prefer.
> >    Ciao.
> > >      Chris xxx
> 
> Don't you think you are kind of generalizing a little bit?
> Why don't you keep your answer to the original sender without including 
> all the ones that happen to be of the same nationality?
> It appears that you (and NOT all other Englishmen, of course) are a 
> little bit biased. Are you?
> By the way, it should be "fottiti". I restrain myself to translate what 
> you wrote, but let me say it was not very refined (at the least).
> Thank you for showing to everyone you are biased.
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Carmine
> 
> 
     Now this is too much; now you are persecuting me PUBLICLY! For the 
last time, I did NOT issue a national stereotype: I criticised one! The 
myth of the Romeo/Lothario/Cassanova is pure braggadocio, I think - 
though many Italians like to believe it provides them with an excuse for 
their sexual harrassment, as if after all it IS merely a matter of 
SHOWING women that they DO really want them, if only they would admit it 
to themselves. Why, of all the people I know who have been pestered and 
bothered (and worse) by Italians is it only the Italian women who can 
declare their aversion to this culture with impunity? But you're right, I 
still can't swear very well in Italian. Which is a shame, really.

      Ciao
         Chris

Maite zaitut - Basque


Oscar Ugarriza


"KISS THE FROG, BABY!"

In article > Gyorgy Kovacs,
 writes:
>The Ambassador of the Soviet Union in Switzerland starts laughing upon 
>learning that Switzerland has a Department of Navy,

It might have some ground, you know, the Swiss air force has
bought some  F/A18s which was developed to the US Navy and
so is capable to land on carriers. Perhaps they should  buy also
a carrier, it definitelly would look great on the Zürcher See.
They even may rotate its location yearly on schedule amongst
the bigger lakes. ;-) 

Tamás

p.s.
We had submarines in the Austro-Hungarian army, until the end
of WWI. The submarine(s) were given to the Serbian navy as
compensation for taking part in the war on the side of the
good ;-) guys.

Tudor Dima > wrote:

>On Sun, 05 May 1996 23:09:12 GMT, Ferenc Istvan Vaski wrote :

>>>World War I - Romania started and finished the war on the allied side.
>>>During the war, it bowed to superior german arms and concluded a separate
>>>peace with the central powers to avoid annihilation. Towards the end of
>>>the war, when it could, it rejoined the allied fight and probably saved
>>>the lives of many English, French, American, and Italian soldiers by
>>>drawing central power troops away from their fronts. Romania was awarded
>>>Transylvania after the war.
>(end  (T.M.Lutas) quote)
>>
>>....This is a fair bit off from anything I have ever seen...started
>>and finished on the allied side?...hardly..Romania was a member of the
>>Triple-Alliance...it signed a secret agreement with the Russians in
>>the fall of 1914 which promised ALL Hungarian territories with ANY
>>amount of Romanians in them to Romania...In 1915 Romania was STILL a
>>part of the Triple-Alliance...

>?!?
>Maybe an economic treaty with Austro-Hungaria means "member of the
>Triple-Alliance"... ?

....you missed with this one...

>>Prime Minister Tisza's opinion was
>>correct..."Romania's leaders are fence-sitting oppurtunists.." in
>>other words at that point Romania was an *ally* to all the belligerent
>>parties...it only actively entered the war in 1916...

>You are trying to apply here criteria that don't have anything to do
>with politics.
>Everything in politics is opportunity. If a stateman had the chance
>and didn't take it, it will hit hard many generations to come.

......it was a statment ...relevant to a fact....

>From this point of view 1918 was a total success of the romanian
>political class.They knew how to turn a military defeat (I will
>clarify your confusion in the matter right after this ) into a
>political victory. Does that mean that hungarian politicians
>weren't so abile ? I guess not; it was just that the romanian view
>on the future of the South Eastern Europe was more adequate in the
>eyes of The Great Powers just because it was natural.

..... a view that displaced millions of Magyars from thier homeland...

>>officially still
>>an ally of the Monarchy...when the Russians broke thru the
>>Carpathians and grabbed approx. 300,000 prisoners...(!)  ..it THEN
>>declared war on the Central Powers and attacked Transylvania...which
>>was defenseless...although again only after recieving assurances  from
>>the allied powers that it would recieve Transylvania, and Banat as
>>well as a huge portion the of Hungarian lowlands.. 

>The agreement was that Romania will attack Austro-Hungaria (which was
>a stinkin' corpse already) and the allies will break in the Balkans.
>They didn't, so when the german troops showed up to help the empire, the
>bulgarians attacked from the south. Now the romanians were outnumbered and
>caught from two sides; the former allies, russians (which, you think, were the
>main factor on the eastern front) were now out, as Lenin began experimenting
>a theory put together over a beer by some marxengels.

....and were pushed back, or you deny this?

>However, the germans could only occupy half of the Principalities,
>and signed, Vichy-style, a peace treaty with Romania.


>>Romania marched into Transylvania in
>>total violation of the agreement it had signed with Hungary as well as
>>in violation of the armistice signed at Padua, Italy on Nov.3
>>1918....should I go on?...somewhere in here I must be missing the part
>>about it *rejoining the allied fight*....

>Romania didn't "marched into", Romania WAS there...

......if you say so...maybe you could point out how they managed
this...

>Transilvania decided, by itself, to unite with Romania.
>How come it was able to achieve it now, and it wasn't able a hundred
>years before ?
>The explanation is very simple : romanian representativity in Dieta
>changed from 8 in a total of over 300 to the natural ratio of 70%.

.....had they not occupied Transylvania at this point?...

>>... Romania windmilled it's way thru both wars and
>>was a total oppurtunist ...esp. when it could take advantage of
>>of any *defencless* situation...particularly the incursion onto
>>Hungarian territory under the protection of the French in 1919...

>If you're talking about wiping off the communist Bela Kun puppet government,
>you should be thankful to Maniu. As for "the protection of France"...
>you missed.

.....this is unreal...now they had become the portectors....I guess
that's what they were looting the nation for etc...perhaps you can
explain how I missed regarding France...

>>...as well as ignoring it's commitment to an
>>alliance it had with Poland ....

>Missed again.

.....better check up on your facts....

>>...Buchrest was an eager partner and loyal ally to the Germans...under
>>this it took back Bukovina and Bessarbia...until the Soviets bounced
>>back and then Romania switched sides and declared war on it's
>>allies..

>I find normal that Romania was looking for a way to get back Basarabia
>and Bucovina; it was not Antonescu's best choice to fight on the german
>side ( since they signed the infamous Ribbentrop - Molotov pact )

....good ...then you can understand it being *normal* for Hungary
wanting Transylvania...

>>taking Transylvania with Soviet forces...instilling their will
>>with such brutal force and atrocities that Stalin intervened and
>>actually expelled the Romanian administration and installed  a Russian
>>Military government...

>Sorry, but... you missed again.

....of course...the histiry books ( and not Magyar ones alone ) as well
as the accounts of family and relations are all lies....

>>...These borders were created with penstrokes...after dubious
>>manipulation of the facts and with obvious atonement in mind...were

>ALL borders are created with penstrokes, and Europe is still a collection
>of nation-states. The few exceptions had been the inspiration in creating EU.

>>those not the words from the French delegations leader to Trianon?...
>>"Hungary must atone..." ...atone for what?...for lands that for over a
>>thousand years had been under the Crown of St.Istvan?...

>It's hard to answer such an enormity.
>1. It hadn't.
>2. Let's pretend it had been; 
>If after one thousand years of foreign domination romanian culture is not only
>alive and well, but dominant in the area, then something with that Stefan's
>Crown wasn't quite popular.

....it icertainly was and is an enormity...an enormous crime that one
of the great nations of Europe was chopped up according to the whims
of nationalist frenzy..and territorial acquisition...you show your
stripes very well ....you conveniently forget things....and as for the
1000 year issue...here we go again...just where where they during this
time?...

>And if you rule with precedents, you're condamned to get nowhere.

>But, of course, when the self esteem is low, there comes the "tradition",
>the flag, the hymn, the historical "dignity", something to keep you going...

>I'm just so surprised to find it at you, people, too. I used to think,
>when I was younger, that it was the privilege of the romanians... 

>td

....what are you saying with this?...oh I know..it's the same old
dirge...".Magyars Orszag deserved what she got and got off lucky at
that..."...I find your facts quite stilted....sorry...

Couldn't you please stop this game?  It is a pain to have to delete it 
from each of my newsgroups..

In article > Wally Keeler,
 writes:
>The presumption is that suicide increased during the 20th century. T. Kocsis
>suggests that there is a causitive basis in the conflicts between 5 distinct
>geniuses of Hungarian culture. Perhaps environmental determinism is a factor,
>but it behooves me to quantify how much of a factor it might play.

I would say the most important factor is the unexplainably high
rate of neurosis in Hungary . An estimation says that up to 80 %
of Hungarians are neurotic. AFAIK, there is a clear correlation
between suicide and neurosis.

The inherent source of conflicts resulting from the 5 geniuses
may cause this unusually high rate, at least I find this explana-
tion plausible. The overpolitizedness causes unreligiousness,
the unreligiousness causes also neurosis. Jung  wrote some-
where, that the neurosis of middle aged people only can be cured
by making the patient by his own will religious somehow. I don't
know however how far I may generalize to neurosis en grosse
from this statement.

Tamas

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:

>A gondom a hozzaaallasoddal a kovetkezo: Te elvarod ugye, hogy igeny tart-
>son az allam rad, megfizessenek a svajci szinvonalon, de adni a vegletekig
>nem kivansz erte semmit. Eredetileg ezzel a  threaddel sem a beloled arado
>hazaszeretethullamokat kivanta valaki lecsillapitani, ugye . Eppen
>ellenke-
>zoleg.

Nem ertem ez hogyan kovetkezik eddigi leveleimbol, idezhetnel talan. Mikor 
derult az ki, hogy nem kivanok adni semmit. Ott is itt is teljes energiammal 
dolgoztam, persze ez nem zarja ki, hogy tehetsegtelen vagyok.
Szeretnem ha nem kevernenk ossze amit en irtam es amit rolam irtak. A thread 
cime es cimado dala sem tolem van. Koszonom jol erzem magam, nem vagyok 
megsertodve es nem gyotrodom.

>Nem latom mi alapon van felhaborodva egy allami kotottsegektol, a nemzet
>fogalmatol idegenkedo, egyeni szabadsagjogait istenito liberalis azon,
>hogy

Nem a nemzet fogalmaval van bajom, hanem amire hasznaljak.

>egyeni szabadsaga, sorsa a freemarkecon nem ugy alakul, ahogy azt elkep-
>zelte. Groteszk, hogy ezert pont a gyulolt allamot hibaztatja. <Achtung: a
>mondatnak altalanos alanya van>

Nem is az allamot hibaztatom. Emlitettem korabban, hogy (pl.) az oktatok 
nemmegbecsulese Mo.-on rendszer es kormanyfuggetlen.

>Attol fuggoen vagy te is eppen liberalis vagy szocialista, hogy melyikbol
>szarmazik tobb hasznod.  Ezt a mentalitast becezik errefele szoclibnek
>vagy liberalbolseviknak. 

Ez megint alaptalan szemelyeskedes. Az hogy hasznom lett volna abbol minek 
vallom magam egyenesen nevetseges.

>
>Kitanultal egy szakmat, de el se gondolkodtal elotte azon, hogy meg
>lehet-e
>elni belole, es most kelted a feszultseget, hogy nem egeszen ugy alakultak
>a dolgok, ahogy *most* szeretned. Ha liberalisnal vallod magad, akkor
>vallald
>hogy *te* csinaltal hulyeseget, senki mas,  ne hibaztasd Magyarorszagot
>emiatt. Csak egy kis kovetkezetesseget, bitte..

Vallalom, en csinaltam a hulyeseget es meg csak nem is banom.

>Nem az elaramlasssal van baj. Ennek eppenhogy termeszetesnek kellene
>lennie. Az elmult otven evben kialakult szisztema, hogy a tudosok nem
>utazhattak, ellentetes a kutatas lenyegevel, amihez hozzatartozik, hogy
>az ember vilagot lasson. Ez regen igy volt sokkal alacsonyabb szinteken
>is, gondolj arra, hogy a kozepkorban mikor, mennyi utazas utan lehetett
>mester egy cehlegenybol .

Erdekes csusztatas. En elaramlasrol beszeltem, nem cirkulaciorol vagy oda- 
vissza aramlasrol. De koszonom az oktatast meg ha azt kivanja is demonstralni, 
hogy csokkent ertelmi kepessegu vagyok.

>Megkockaztatom, hogy aki nem volt kepes nyugatra kijutni, es par evig
>ott megallni a helyet, nem alkalmas arra, hogy a magyar felsooktatasban
>szerepet vallaljon.

Szoval lehet valaki akarmilyen tehetseges matematikus peldaul, ha nem egy 
nyelvtehetseg, nincsenek jo kapcsolatai vagy egyszeruen nincs kedve 
hatrahagyni csaladjat, az nem alkalmas a katedrara.

>Innentol fogva viszont nem tudom elfogadni a nyomorgo kutatokra vo-
>natkozo sajnalkozo soraidat. Ugyanis aki ket-harom evet lehuz nyuga-
>ton, es tanulassal, tapasztalatszerzessel tolti az idejet, az annyi penzt
>boven meg tud takaritani, hogy azt ugyesen forgatva, otthon mar ne kell-
>jen a kutatoi fizetese miatt aggodnia. A  keszpenzen kivul eppen eleg
>egyeb olyan ismeretet lehet begyujteni odakunn (nyelv, uzleti szakmai
>kapcsolatok, informacio), amely szinten penzze vagy az otthonmaradtak
>szamara nagyon nehezen ledolgozhato elonnye konvertalhato.

Igaz, az elony behozhatatlan, de nem a szakmai.
 
----- Warning! If it offends you do not read de following !-----
Kerdem en, miert kellene egy tehetseges kutatonak egyben 
uzletembervagymiafasznak lennie ahhoz hogy fennmaradjon.
----- End of dangerous text ------------------------------------ 


>Tovabbmegyek: a kutatonak ne kelljen a hazai kutatasfinanszirozasi
>viszonyok miatt aggodnia, mert hazaviszi a tamogatast, a temat . Aki
>nem tudja ennek a hatteret megteremteni, az pedig ne foglalkozzon on-
>allo kutatassal, mert nem neki valo.

Jo, legyenek a kutatok kofak, es mi van a kozepiskolai tanarokkal. Azok is 
menjenek kulfoldre, vagy tozsdezzenek, vagy miabanatot csinaljanak.


>A szempontok valtoztak kisse meg.  Az alap, amelyrol a felsooktatas
>kerdeseit vizsgalod, idejetmult.
>
>A felsooktatas problemai nem anyagi alapuak, hanem egy anakronisz-
>tikus (kutatoi-oktatoi) embertipus anakronisztikus szemleletmodjabol,
>koveteleseibol szarmaznak.

Koszonom ismet. Ha jol ertem tehat a "korszeru" oktato-kutato kulfoldi 
kapcsolatait es eros szakmai hatteret felhasznalva lemegy a sarki papirboltba 
kretat venni az osszetozsdezett penzbol, majd folytatja utjat egyenesen a 
Tavfuto Muvek legkozelebbi kirendeltsegeig, aholis befizeti az egyetem 
futeset.
Micsoda kivallo kor, hogy ilyen a szere!


>A tudos tekintheti azt, amivel foglalkozik elethivatasanak, szenvede-
>lyenek, amin kivul mas nem erdekli. Ez a tipus igen keves penzzel beeri
>es boldog, mert az elet anyagi  oldala nem fontos szamara.

Akkor melyik agyaval megy tozsdezni ha kerdezhetem Obolcsesseget?

>A kutato lehet ugyes karrierista, aki jo temat valaszt, szervez, penzt
>teremt elo, csoportot vezet, es sikeres lesz szakmailag es anyagilag
>egyarant.

Szeretnek nehany peldat Magyarorszagrol, ha lehet ne az aktualis mesekonyvbol.

>Meg egy tipus letezik: a tehetsegtelen kutato.

Na ja, hogy erre nem gondoltam...

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Laszlo Koszeghy III > wrote:
>>  Didn't read all this, but it don't matter... though something else
>>I've noticed and herd... is that Hungarians are trying to get a piece
>>of Romania, and act or think it was theirs, (Transilvania) heck, since
>>I can remember or the history of Europe.. Trans. never belonged to
>>Hungaria, it is not Rom.'s fault cuz they ran away from their own
>>country and went to Rom. and multiplyed as the time went along... 
>>About the schooling system or the country, you move to China, you learn
>>Chinese, you move to US, you learn English, you move to Mexico you
>>learn Spanish, countries are not and should not put up with people,
>>that want to start their own system, and their own goverment just
>>because a large sum or amount live in a different country.  That is
>>"B.S."  I've been to 3 different countries, actully 4 and I had to
>>learn their languages, and didn't complain.... so will you..
>>
>>  If that's true (that Hung. are trying to start their own thing in
>>Romania) this is a laughing matter... I think Rom. aught to tighten
>>their laws and start ruling again...
>
>        This message from you shows what a fool you really are.  Why don't
>you go to your friendly neighborhood library and read a book on Hungarian or
>Central European history.

Unfortunately, this is usually the case with the majority of the so-called opin
ionated Romanians. 
As for me, I was born in Romania, am however not Romanian (thank God) and have 
always 
sympathize with the Hungarian plight for justice.

  There you will see that Transylvania was a part
>of the Hungarian Kingdom physically or spiritually.  When it was not
>actually physically part of Hungary during the Turkish occupation, the
>princes were all Hungarian.  

>I didn't see any Romanian princes rule it.

Let's face it, Romania never had a tradition of royalty.  After all they had to
 import their 
first King, who didn't even speak Romanian.

>Even when the Austrians ruled Transylvania directly from Vienna (they wanted
>to weaken Hungary by not uniting it), there was a Hungarian viceroy, not a
>Romanian one.  Hungarian or Szekler tribes have been in Transylvania and the
>Carpathian Basin for 1100 years.  The Romanians were in the forests of the
>Carpathians (outside the borders of 1914 Hungary) until the sixteenth
>century herding goats and the like while there were Hungarian universities
>in places like Kolozsvar (Cluj) at the time.  The Romanians only trickled
>into Transylvania during Ottoman rule because the Hungarians became sort of
>depopulated after fighting with the Turks to protect Christianity.  There
>did eventually become a Romanian majority in Transylvania, but for you to
>say that Transylvania never belonged to Hungary or was Hungarian in spirit
>is truly ignorant.  Maybe you Romanians, instead of reading brainwashing
>books about unsubstantiated Daco-Roman theories, should read history books
>with real physical evidence; not theories blowing in the wind.
>
>Laszlo Koszeghy III
>
>I absolutely agree.,

IW

In >  (John Groen) writes: 

>
 (Peter Koopman) wrote:
>
 (Ruud Harmsen) schreef:
>
>>>In article >  (Peter Koopman) wr
ites:
>>>>Blond & blauwe ogen? In Nederland? U bedoelt Friesland, zeker?
>>>Ik ken op zijn minst drie bruinogige donkerharige Friezen.
>>Je hebt gelijk: ik pareerde ten onrechte het ene misverstand met het
>>andere stereotype.
>
>>>Ik ken op zijn minst drie bruinogige donkerharige Friezen.
>>Je bedoelt toch geen trekpaarden he?  ;-)
>
>>Peter
>
>Import-friezen
>
>NOK(tkan vriezn en tkan dooin)
>
>
>

In article > Peter Szaszvari,
 writes:
>Sosem vartam, hogy gondoskodjanak rolam, remelem itt nem rolam van szo.

Szavadon foglak, mert ket levellel feljebb ezt irod:

        "Azt vettem inkabb eszre, hogy SZERETETT  HAZAM MAGYARORSZAG ugy
        ahogy vagyok nem tart igenyt ram. On szamara ez nem  lehet
meglepe-
        tes, nekem viszont az volt."

A gondom a hozzaaallasoddal a kovetkezo: Te elvarod ugye, hogy igeny tart-
son az allam rad, megfizessenek a svajci szinvonalon, de adni a vegletekig
nem kivansz erte semmit. Eredetileg ezzel a  threaddel sem a beloled arado
hazaszeretethullamokat kivanta valaki lecsillapitani, ugye . Eppen
ellenke-
zoleg.
Nem latom mi alapon van felhaborodva egy allami kotottsegektol, a nemzet
fogalmatol idegenkedo, egyeni szabadsagjogait istenito liberalis azon,
hogy
egyeni szabadsaga, sorsa a freemarkecon nem ugy alakul, ahogy azt elkep-
zelte. Groteszk, hogy ezert pont a gyulolt allamot hibaztatja. <Achtung: a
mondatnak altalanos alanya van>

Attol fuggoen vagy te is eppen liberalis vagy szocialista, hogy melyikbol
szarmazik tobb hasznod.  Ezt a mentalitast becezik errefele szoclibnek
vagy liberalbolseviknak. 

Kitanultal egy szakmat, de el se gondolkodtal elotte azon, hogy meg
lehet-e
elni belole, es most kelted a feszultseget, hogy nem egeszen ugy alakultak
a dolgok, ahogy *most* szeretned. Ha liberalisnal vallod magad, akkor
vallald
hogy *te* csinaltal hulyeseget, senki mas,  ne hibaztasd Magyarorszagot
emiatt. Csak egy kis kovetkezetesseget, bitte..
 
>Szerintem nagy kulombseg van penzehseg es akozott, hogy az embernek
>minden ho 20-an kolcson kell kerni, hogy kihuzza hovegeig. Ez a mester-
>segesen generalt  "penzehseg" ugyancsk nem tesz nagyon jot az oktatas
>minosegenek, de ez egy agyoncsepelt trivialitas.
[...]
>Nem rolam van tehat szo, szeretnem hangsulyozni, hanem inkabb arrol a 
>"csodarol", hogy Magyarorszagrol az emberek elaramlanak.

Nem az elaramlasssal van baj. Ennek eppenhogy termeszetesnek kellene
lennie. Az elmult otven evben kialakult szisztema, hogy a tudosok nem
utazhattak, ellentetes a kutatas lenyegevel, amihez hozzatartozik, hogy
az ember vilagot lasson. Ez regen igy volt sokkal alacsonyabb szinteken
is, gondolj arra, hogy a kozepkorban mikor, mennyi utazas utan lehetett
mester egy cehlegenybol .

Megkockaztatom, hogy aki nem volt kepes nyugatra kijutni, es par evig
ott megallni a helyet, nem alkalmas arra, hogy a magyar felsooktatasban
szerepet vallaljon.

Innentol fogva viszont nem tudom elfogadni a nyomorgo kutatokra vo-
natkozo sajnalkozo soraidat. Ugyanis aki ket-harom evet lehuz nyuga-
ton, es tanulassal, tapasztalatszerzessel tolti az idejet, az annyi penzt
boven meg tud takaritani, hogy azt ugyesen forgatva, otthon mar ne kell-
jen a kutatoi fizetese miatt aggodnia. A  keszpenzen kivul eppen eleg
egyeb olyan ismeretet lehet begyujteni odakunn (nyelv, uzleti szakmai
kapcsolatok, informacio), amely szinten penzze vagy az otthonmaradtak
szamara nagyon nehezen ledolgozhato elonnye konvertalhato.

Tovabbmegyek: a kutatonak ne kelljen a hazai kutatasfinanszirozasi
viszonyok miatt aggodnia, mert hazaviszi a tamogatast, a temat . Aki
nem tudja ennek a hatteret megteremteni, az pedig ne foglalkozzon on-
allo kutatassal, mert nem neki valo.

>Persze mondhatod, hogy oktatokra ugy ahogy vannak "nincs szukseg" de
>engedd meg, hogy ne ertsek egyet...

A szempontok valtoztak kisse meg.  Az alap, amelyrol a felsooktatas
kerdeseit vizsgalod, idejetmult.

A felsooktatas problemai nem anyagi alapuak, hanem egy anakronisz-
tikus (kutatoi-oktatoi) embertipus anakronisztikus szemleletmodjabol,
koveteleseibol szarmaznak.

A tudos tekintheti azt, amivel foglalkozik elethivatasanak, szenvede-
lyenek, amin kivul mas nem erdekli. Ez a tipus igen keves penzzel beeri
es boldog, mert az elet anyagi  oldala nem fontos szamara.

A kutato lehet ugyes karrierista, aki jo temat valaszt, szervez, penzt
teremt elo, csoportot vezet, es sikeres lesz szakmailag es anyagilag
egyarant.

Meg egy tipus letezik: a tehetsegtelen kutato.

Tamás

 (Ferenc Istvan Vaski) wrote:

>....This is a fair bit off from anything I have ever seen...started
>and finished on the allied side?...hardly..Romania was a member of the
>Triple-Alliance...it signed a secret agreement with the Russians in
>the fall of 1914 which promised ALL Hungarian territories with ANY
>amount of Romanians in them to Romania...In 1915 Romania was STILL a
>part of the Triple-Alliance...Prime Minister Tisza's opinion was
>correct..."Romania's leaders are fence-sitting oppurtunists.." in
>other words at that point Romania was an *ally* to all the belligerent
>parties...it only actively entered the war in 1916...officially still
>an ally of the Monarchy...when the Russians broke thru the
>Carpathians and grabbed approx. 300,000 prisoners...(!)  ..it THEN
>declared war on the Central Powers and attacked Transylvania...which
>was defenseless...although again only after recieving assurances  from
>the allied powers that it would recieve Transylvania, and Banat as
>well as a huge portion the of Hungarian lowlands.. at this point the
>Romanians  agreed to not make a seperate peace with the Central
>Powers..and if they did the *award* offer was void...the length of
>time Romania was involved is known to be quite short ..aprox. 3
>months..when it was driven back out of Transylvania ...Bucharest fell
>on Dec 6 1916....and in 1918 Romania reneged on it's promise to the
>allies and DID sign a peace agreement with the Monarchy...which should
>have forfeited the *award* agreement...by this time tho' it's
>propaganda machine was well in place along with that of the Czech's,
>when Russia collapsed Romania occupied Bessarabia...and thru outright
>political treachery and propaganda ended up annexing territories from
>former enemies and allies....all this for an app. 3 month involvment
>that ended with them losing...Romania marched into Transylvania  in
>total violation of the agreement it had signed with Hungary as well as
>in violation of the armistice signed at Padua, Italy on Nov.3
>1918....should I go on?...somewhere in here I must be missing the part
>about it *rejoining the allied fight*....

Is this an official Hungarian version on W.W.I or just another 
electrical engineer's contribution to History?

why wonder?  Unfortunately this kind of rhetoric is all too common in Romania a
s you probably 
already know.  The sad part is that it still manages to hold ground, a truly sa
d statement about 
those who consent to it.  But then again, why be surprpiaed when the most insul
ting, ridiculous, 
fascist paper "Romania Mare" has far more readers than any other publication in
 Romania.

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:
>... The overpolitizedness causes unreligiousness,
>the unreligiousness causes also neurosis. Jung  wrote some-
>where, that the neurosis of middle aged people only can be cured
>by making the patient by his own will religious somehow. 

It was great but what about lobotomy ? Or simply shooting down the patient?
Are you neurotic? (You stated somewhere before thet you were not religious.:)




Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

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The well-known "%FNAME%" > wrote :

>But then again, why be surprpiaed when the most insulting, ridiculous,
>fascist paper "Romania Mare" has far more readers than any other publication i
n >Romania

FYI : The circulation of the rag you're talking about
dropped from 300,000 in 1991-1992 to less than 30,000 in 1995.
The leading paper at that time had 700,000 readers.

If the romanian analysts are right, the thing is not economically
viable anymore, being subsidized with black Securitate funds.

In any case, I don't thing you could imagine that a 30,000 weekly
might be the most read paper in a 23 mil country...

td

A magyarorszagi tajfutok listajan (mert ilyen is van:
) jelent meg Kocsis Peter szamitogepebol az alabbi
szines beszamolo, amelyet a 
szerzo hozzajarulasaval szeretnek Onokkel megosztani:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
  Talan erdekel valakit, hogy a Kozgazdasagi Politechnikum tanarai es 
diakjai mult het vegen atfutottak az orszagot. Ha azt mondom, hogy 
ez nem egy sporttagozatos suli, akkor meg finom voltam, ugyhogy 
valtoban rendeztuk a dolgot. A futasban egy szulo is reszt vett, 
jellemzo, hogy o is tajfuto volt. (Meichl Geza, Tipo) A dolog ugy 
nezett ki, hogy haromkor kicsongott az utolso ora, es fel negykor mar 
indultunk Rajkara. A rajt negyed hetkor volt a hataron, es a Meichl 
csalad kezdett, hogy Marci meg elerje a Semmelweis rajtjat masnap. 
Nyomta is, mint gep, olyan 4:15-os kilometerekbol rakott ossze vagy 
egy tizest. Utana aztan szep sorban jott a tobbi csapat, az elozo 
heti maratont lefuto elsosoktol, a csak a suliban tornazo lanyokig 
vegyesen, de 47 ora alatt igy is atertunk Zahonyba. Ez a kis utakon 
597 km volt, plusz nehany keveres, szoval 5 percesnel jobb atlag. 
  Ahhoz kepest, hogy kozben elso ejszaka a buszban, masodik ejszaka egy 
suliban aludtunk, (mar amennyire alhatsz, mikozben egesz ejjel a 
kocsik ide-oda hordjak a valto csapatokat, raadasul osszesen van ot 
orad, mert kulonben a futok ugy elszaladnak, hogy reggel az autok mar 
nem tudjak oket utolerni, ezert a busznak is indulnia kell) szerintem 
nem is olyan rossz ido. Bulinak viszont egyszeruen oriasi. En, mint 
tanar remekul ereztem magam, egy harom tanarbol es ket diakbol allo 
csapatban. Bar tobb helyen teljesen hulyenek neztek minket ettol csak 
jobb lett a kedvunk, mert ugy ereztuk, meg nem oregedtunk meg 
teljesen. Tobbek kozt az igazoltato rendor, amikor egy kopetnyi 
faluban, egy negyszamjegyu uton megallitott, es megkerdezte:
- Hova lesz az ut?
- Zahonyba.
- Na, es honnan jovunk?
- Rajkarol.
  Erre csak nezett, mint Kati a moziban, aztan elkezdtuk magyarazni, 
hogy mi van, mielott szetszedi az egesz autot, hogy mit bujkalunk itt 
a Josten hata mogott. Okosabban persze ekkor se nezett rank, de 
legalabb elengedett.
  A buszt azert allitottak meg, mert egyik reggel nyolcvannal nyomta a 
futok utan, hogy az autosoknak ne kelljen a valtasokkal szaz 
kilometereket forogni. Mikor mondtak a rendoroknek, hogy ejszaka 
elfutottak a sracok a busz elol es oket kell utolerni, mert 
ehenhalnak futas kozben, akkor helybol eleresztettek a csapatot, meg 
egy ejnye-bejnyet sem kaptunk.
  Raadasul volt negy falu, ahol a gyerekek egyutt futottak velunk, mert 
elore szoltunk, hogy jovunk, mire szerveztek egy kozos futast. Nagyon 
klassz volt, bar vasarnap delelott lekaszalodni a buszrol, (itt 
persze mindenki, aki elt, futott) es elkezdeni nyomni a pihent es 
lelkes kissracok mellet, hat az bizony eleg pribek dolog, de a 
lelkesedesuk jol esett.
  A vegen persze mindent megert, amikor nagy uvoltozva felfutottunk a 
zahonyi Tisza-hidra (Majd egy oraig allt miattunk a hataron a 
forgalom, gondolom imadhattak minket.) es korbeallva unnepeltuk 
magunkat. Negyed kettokor mar itthon is voltunk, es 
testuletilag bent aludtunk a suliban, reggel alig lehetett a 
sracokat orara rugdalni, raadasul egy napig tele volt az epulet 
higanymozgasu sracokkal es tanarakkal. Szoval megcsinaltuk, es 
melegen ajanlom mindenkinek, mert nagyon jo volt. 

  Haliho:
Csokis_________________________________________________________
                                                          
Kocsis Peter                      snail:Kozgazdasagi Politechnikum 
              H-1096 Budapest, Vendel u. 3.

Isten hozott, Balczo' Vira'g!
        A mediatol elzarkozva, de nem maganyosan el Budakeszin minden idok
egyik legeredmenyesebb magyar sportoloja, az olimpiai es vilagbajnok
ottusazo, Balczo Andras es felesege, az olimpiai bronzermes tornasz,
Csa'sza'r Monika.
        A volt ket kivalo sportolonak a napokban megszuletett tizenegyedik
(11.) gyeremeke, Vira'g =E9s anyuk=E1ja is jol van. A n=E9pes csaladban az=
 ot fiu
mellett Vira'g jovetelevel a lanyok kerultek folenybe. Az egykek orszagaban
bizonyara sokan nem ertik Bandit, akinek kivanjuk, adjon az Isten erot
gyermekei felnevelesehez.
Forras: U.Mo., 1996. majus 6. (s.)

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